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Old 08.06.2011, 12:43
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

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Fixed that for you. In English (correct English that is, i.e. British ) you would pronounce the "d". Unless you are in the forces and speaking to a superior officer, in which case the sound would be more like "Marm", as in marmalade.

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Or you are referring to royalty, in which case it is Ma'am, as in ham, and not as in harm.

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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

As a British-born black person who has been faced with racism directly and indirectly over the past 30+ years the use of the word in questions is never acceptable, even by performing artists (it’s neither big nor clever).

As the father of a mixed-race son who is about to move to Basel and is enrolled in the local Kindergarten to provide him with the best opportunity to integrate, if he is faced with any racism I hope that it is not at the hands of the education system.

I appreciate that a generation of people use the word above to describe black people in general but surely a highly educated and literate society (as we have in Switzerland) can express itself without using racial slurs.

Just my thoughts

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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Since this thread is open again - I thought I'd post this which I saw on the news today.

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A report into how a council dealt with a racism complaint after the phrase "jungle drums" was used at a meeting has found its investigation was unfair.


The complaint was made after the phrase was used to describe gossip during a public meeting at Wiltshire Council.



An equality campaigner present found the comment to be racist and offensive. The authority investigated and found it was a valid complaint.
I use this phrase all the time but don't for one minute think of it with any racist connections. In fact, in my mind, the phrase "jungle drums" always conjures up (for some odd reason) parrots and monkeys beating sticks on tree stumps.

Equality campaigners are all well and good and do keep an eye on things to prevent (proper) racist material but I am glad this stupid complaint has finally been nipped in the bud by some prevailing commonsense.
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

I'm going to have to disagree with this. There ARE people who find this acceptable. Yes, some are even performing artists. Is it right? Who's to say.

But if they are alright with someone using that word in a private conversation with them, then it IS acceptable to them.

Similarly I know of people who don't find the term "black person" acceptable, and it's their right to that opinion. I won't use it in context with them.

I understand these are strong opinions you hold very close to yourself, but you must also exercise openmindness and respect people who and think differently than yourself.

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As a British-born black person who has been faced with racism directly and indirectly over the past 30+ years the use of the word in questions is never acceptable, even by performing artists (it’s neither big nor clever).

As the father of a mixed-race son who is about to move to Basel and is enrolled in the local Kindergarten to provide him with the best opportunity to integrate, if he is faced with any racism I hope that it is not at the hands of the education system.

I appreciate that a generation of people use the word above to describe black people in general but surely a highly educated and literate society (as we have in Switzerland) can express itself without using racial slurs.

Just my thoughts

Also someone asked in an earlier post how do you get an article like this published - in the modern age…put it on the Internet

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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Quick question:

How many of those who claim the usage of the word is not a big deal are actually black skin?

Just sayin'
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Since this thread is open again - I thought I'd post this which I saw on the news today.



I use this phrase all the time but don't for one minute think of it with any racist connections. In fact, in my mind, the phrase "jungle drums" always conjures up (for some odd reason) parrots and monkeys beating sticks on tree stumps.

Equality campaigners are all well and good and do keep an eye on things to prevent (proper) racist material but I am glad this stupid complaint has finally been nipped in the bud by some prevailing commonsense.
Would the plaintiff have preferred the term "smoke signals" instead?
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Quick question:

How many of those who claim the usage of the word is not a big deal are actually black skin?

Just sayin'

Zero!

Do a search for "skin reflectance" and you'll find that no one actually has "black skin".

Just sayin'

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Zero!

Do a search for "skin reflectance" and you'll find that no one actually has "black skin".

Just sayin'

Mouah ah ah

You know what I meant!

I don't like to refer to someone as being black, it is the skin who is black, not the person. I have an olive tone skin. I am not an olive...
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Mouah ah ah

You know what I meant!

I don't like to refer to someone as being black, it is the skin who is black, not the person. I have an olive tone skin. I am not an olive...

yeah I know what you meant---I was just rubbing in a point that I believe is an underlying issue on this topic.

That a general term is used to group different people. That term could be good/bad/unbiased, but once a negative attachment is made to the word (doesn't matter how or by whom), the word can no longer be 100% acceptably used and could be considered offensive.

Using one distince word to describe a diverse group will lead to someone being offended.
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

During the apartheid period in South Africa, my OH's parents' families were split into 3 groups depending on their skin colour - 3 groups with totally different futures - who could no longer be brothers and sisters, husbands and wives - and yet from the same stock and background - the only difference being the intensity of colour and shape of lips, curl of hair.
My grand-son and grand-daughters have 3 races and 9 nationalities- and yet will never ever face discrimination due to this - as it is not apparent, as they are white with fair hair and eyes - pure fluke- a lottery. Nobody would ever guess that they are part Indonesian and African, possibly Arab too- it could so easily have been different. Nobody will ever call them 'mixed'race' because they happen to be white.
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Would the plaintiff have preferred the term "smoke signals" instead?


Racist!
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Very good point Nil.

A few people defend their right to use a word that is really horrible, I will be hurt and upset if someone would call me nigga/er. The same people try and justify by saying that rappers use the word all the time. Sure they do, they also use the term 'white trash' does that make it ok for me to call a person of lighter skin tone 'white trash'? Its disrespectful, if you respect yourself and those around you - you would never use such hurtful words to a total stranger. The question is if you allow yourself to treat strangers that way, how do you treat people you know?

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Quick question:

How many of those who claim the usage of the word is not a big deal are actually black skin?

Just sayin'
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Changing history to suit the US.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-13727908

The Dam Busters' dog will be renamed for a new version of the classic war movie, it has emerged.

Stephen Fry, who is writing the film's screenplay, said there was "no question in America* that you could ever have a dog called the N-word".

In the remake, the dog will be called "Digger" instead of "Nigger".





* US America that is
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* US America that is
Will you kindly knock that shit off? It's annoying!
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Changing history to suit the US.
That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Film makers always change facts to suit their audiences.
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Changing history to suit the US.
Not certain if it's changing history to suit, or if it's making the future correct.

The same was done with many other 19th century and early 20th century books. Though I prefer to read the originals, I can understand the aim to make this world just a little less crazy and more tolerant.
Tolerance does start with education.
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Not certain if it's changing history to suit, or if it's making the future correct.

The same was done with many other 19th century and early 20th century books. Though I prefer to read the originals, I can understand the aim to make this world just a little less crazy and more tolerant.
Tolerance does start with education.
To change the text of a book to suit modern tastes is unforgivable, in my opinion.

Film makers, on the other hand, always make big changes to stories when they adapt them for the screen. Changing the name of the dog in the new Dambusters film is nothing compared to some of the liberties directors and screenwriters take.

I've not seen Braveheart for a while, come to think of it...
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To change the text of a book to suit modern tastes is unforgivable, in my opinion.
I fully agree !!!!!!!!
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To change the text of a book to suit modern tastes is unforgivable, in my opinion.
...you mean like King James did?
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