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In any case there is a big difference between a neger or black person and a nigger in my opinion......
please do explain
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Oh, another one of these threads?

Chasing someone and calling him names is bullying.

Is simple, no?
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Chasing someone and calling him names is bullying.

Is simple, no?
We dealt with neighborhood bullies as kids by calling them winners. In some cases it got the tough little bastards running to their moms, who I'm sure couldn't figure out why their little angel was so upset . "Did he call you a weiner??", "NOOO, a wiiiinnner, moooooom!!"
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If you think that someone who has been on the Inside the Actor's studio and asked to socially deconstruct a sketch for the benefit of the audiance would somehow come as bad taste humor, then you and I differ greatly in taste.
Having received some accolade for performances does not erase the "bad taste"... even Chappelle himself has said that he's done some skits in the past that he regrets.

Who knows, maybe after another breakdown and disappearing act, he may list that clip you shared as one such regrettable skit.


it IS shocking and in bad taste, he relies upon that to be funny, it's not so different from Pryor and other comedians in the 70s who used whole strings of profanity to get equally shocked / guilty laughter in their heyday.


Meanwhile, that said, I've read and watched and listened to A LOT of Chappelle that was not his routines but was serious interviews. He is the type of guy who would fit in my group of friends. That still doesn't make his humor in any less bad taste though or keep me from recognizing how tasteless it is.
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humour is better left unexplained.
Chapelle took it upon himself to display racial stereotypes, by "putting yourself in someone else's shoes" through an extremely funny scenario. Oddly enough the Wetback family was cut off rom the youtube video I put.

He plays the double entendre using the 1950's American dream/oppresion duality of the era.

but this is a joke which should be understood if one has the intelligence and enlightenment to do so. [/sarcasm.]



If you think that someone who has been on the Inside the Actor's studio and asked to socially deconstruct a sketch for the benefit of the audiance would somehow come as bad taste humor, then you and I differ greatly in taste.
Never heard of Chappelle but have Googled him and see it more in context now.
Thought it was original stuff from the unenlightened Fifties (a bit like our British 70s stuff "Love thy Neighbour" (even though he's a nigga, etc)
With this background in racist British Comedy, anything is possible from a sketch......
so please excuse...........
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Having received some accolade for performances does not erase the "bad taste"... even Chappelle himself has said that he's done some skits in the past that he regrets.
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I'm sorry to go back to this BUT. Having richard pryor say: " I've passed the torched untoDave" is no mere accolade... yes, He's done some skits in the past that he regrets. His stand up however, remains highly regarded by himslef and the others. has he said that he regrets the Nigars?

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Who knows, maybe after another breakdown and disappearing act, he may list that clip you shared as one such regrettable skit.
you just answered, my previous question, he didn't. He regrets the fairy sketch, and to some extent the rick james one. The "dissapearing" act is well explained on his interview in the actor's studio. After seeing what he had to say, i would not disregard it as a breakdown/dissapering act in such a tone.

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it IS shocking and in bad taste, he relies upon that to be funny, it's not so different from Pryor and other comedians in the 70s who used whole strings of profanity to get equally shocked / guilty laughter in their heyday.
Ah there you go... Pryor is the influence of a LOT of comedians. the "Picasso of Comedy" (a particularly non slur using one commented that.), you need to see past the string of profanities to realize the social content behind it.

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Meanwhile, that said, I've read and watched and listened to A LOT of Chappelle that was not his routines but was serious interviews. He is the type of guy who would fit in my group of friends. That still doesn't make his humor in any less bad taste though or keep me from recognizing how tasteless it is.
Sorry Peg, seems that you actually haven't,a t least to me And I would contend the notion that you could have a friend who's work, which is pretty much his passion and what drives him, you find tasteless; and classify his break from the network as a "dissapearing act".
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"Jetz bin I Neger worden" Along the lines of "He's a bit of a Jew" - indicating tightfistedness. Not really on.

Does Näggr really mean nigger? Or simply Negro, as in German "Neger"?
Hi, got this translation from the Urban dictionary online.
Seems to be another spelling used in swiss german.


Näggr



Swissgerman word for nigger
Same as Nägger or Naeggr or Naegger
Ich gang mit em Näggr id stadt (Swissgerman)
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Hi, got this translation from the Urban dictionary online.
Seems to be another spelling used in swiss german.


Näggr

Swissgerman word for nigger
Same as Nägger or Naeggr or Naegger
Ich gang mit em Näggr id stadt (Swissgerman)
However this is the more commonly found translation:

der Neger (-) black (African) person, negro
eine Negerin a black person, a negress (female)
ein Neger a black person, a negro (male)
"Neger" can also have negative connotations.
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Hi, got this translation from the Urban dictionary online.
Seems to be another spelling used in swiss german.


Näggr



Swissgerman word for nigger
Same as Nägger or Naeggr or Naegger
Ich gang mit em Näggr id stadt (Swissgerman)
I'm still not clear why the Swiss German word, Näggr, appeared in a Kindergarten worksheet. Why in dialect? Was the rest of the document in dialect or was it just this one word?
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

I cringe when I hear the word used in any language or dialect. I have heard my colleagues (Swiss and French) use it and the really see nothing wrong with it. When I call them on it they make the point about rap "artists" etc saying it to each other and my argument just dies.

Chris Rock mentions how he sees the difference in a very funny stand up routine, but him saying it probably also encourages other people to use it and see no harm in doing so.

For me the offence in that word is intrinsic as it has been used to offend for so long now.
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It still remains a word which is linguistically negatively-loaded.
To be honest... and just repeating what others said before: Neger used to be a completely normal German term for "black person". The way I understand it is nigger offensive as it does not only refer to the color, but the slave history. As we got a lot of cultural influences over the past 30 years from the US, is Neger by now a non-PC word.

So if you have an old children book, I am not at all surprised that it says "Neger" in there and it was not meant to be racist.

A fun example: A 20min reader spotted in Zurich an old chart on the wall of a solarium. The chart is on skin color and the recommended usage of the machines... have a look:



http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/19291282

People seem to agree that the term is outdated and should not be used anymore - but it was never intended to be insulting or racist on a poster like that.
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

what the hell is a Nubian???
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what the hell is a Nubian???
Someone from Nubia.
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Re: Should the word Nigger be used in Swiss German?

In Scandinavia, one starts to take the American's sensitiveness into account but linguistically speaking, it was just the word for a black person. Dear Danish and Swedish forum members, do you still use it or did that change?

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Being Danish I wouldn't call a black person neger/negro, but...well you guessed it : a black person. Heard of people saying "afroamerican" when it is a black person coming from America, but primarily in public situations like on the News. Privately I hear "black people" mentioned without any bad underlying meanings.

To me 'negro' has a negative tone despite I know it comes from latin and simply just states someone with dark skin (black). But history made it a bad word. On the other hand we do have some old words still in use using the word 'neger', i.e. a sweet dark chocolate top with cream inside placed on a thin biscuit, still known as "Negerkys" (Kiss of a negro). Now a days it has a totally neutral name you could use instead ("Flødeboller" - "Buns with cream"), but if you go into a sweet store and ask for a "Negerkys" for instance to put on top of your ice waffle then everyone knows what you ask for - and it tastes delicious

Lived in South Africa a couple of years where they call a spade for a spade. Had a smaller burglery where I confrontated the thief who was a black woman. Was afterwards asked by the police (two black guys) quite "how" black she was:...Black like dark chocolate? Black as a nice cup of coffee with just a bit milk in it or perhaps more like a decent cappuchino?

In South Africe people are divived into three colour groups; blacks, whites and coloured people (everyone from India/Asia). The black people called themselves for blacks too and I didn't sensed any tension about calling anyone coloured, black or white.

I realise that the proper terms for 'darker skinned people' change due to where I am in the world, so I'm always sensitive to where I am and what the right terms may be around there. So far I seem to get fine by using the term "black" and truly hope no one is affended by that. That is surely never my intention.

This is of course just my opinion and other Danes or Skandinavians may feel otherwise

...By the way I ended up describing the thief as "dark as nice, mild cocoa in the morning". Never thought I would describe any person like that to the police though

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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

I contend that EF is blatantly racist as a bunch of posters are able to type "nigger" uncensored but I can't call some posters complete "Muthaf***ers" - where's the political correctness? Huh?
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what the hell is a Nubian???
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Someone from Nubia.
Hehe, n00b. ....
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.....I wouldn't call a black person neger/negro/nigger, but...well you guessed it : a black person. Heard of people saying "afroamerican" when it is a black person coming from America, but primarily in public situations like on the News. Privately I hear "black people" mentioned without any bad underlying meanings.
This is a common usage, but personally I feel it's one of the worst. I've never met an actual "Black" person, unless they've been painted with black paint.

I have met many people with dark-coloured skin, but never black.
Similarly I don't call lighter-skinned people "White" people, or "yellow" people.

Personally I feel the extreme-colour palette generalization is the most offensive of all, but that's just my opinion.
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To be honest... and just repeating what others said before: Neger used to be a completely normal German term for "black person". The way I understand it is nigger offensive as it does not only refer to the color, but the slave history. As we got a lot of cultural influences over the past 30 years from the US, is Neger by now a non-PC word.

So if you have an old children book, I am not at all surprised that it says "Neger" in there and it was not meant to be racist.

A fun example: A 20min reader spotted in Zurich an old chart on the wall of a solarium. The chart is on skin color and the recommended usage of the machines... have a look:



http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_quer/story/19291282
No wonder it was hanging in there for ages, how many people of that skin color would actually frequent solarium to tell the people who run it how weird it is?

While it might have never been offensive here in some instances, I think times have changed a long time ago. People just don't catch up, or adjust their vocabulary. I still think there is no excuse for that, nor think we should worry about their reasons and intentions and get all sentimental and nostalgic (like in case of those old lil grannies who pick racists terms of endearment).
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I contend that EF is blatantly racist as a bunch of posters are able to type "nigger" uncensored but I can't call some posters complete "Muthaf***ers" - where's the political correctness? Huh?
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I used the N-word in this thread only because we were discussing the to me no use of it. How to discribe what you shouldn't say or do if you cannot even mention it? Sorry if you got affended.
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Being Danish I wouldn't call a black person neger/negro/nigger, but...well you guessed it : a black person. Heard of people saying "afroamerican" when it is a black person coming from America, but primarily in public situations like on the News. Privately I hear "black people" mentioned without any bad underlying meanings.
Some Americans I know say "African American" even when the person isn't American and has never been to America. I suppose that can also be interpreted as being discrimantory. I wonder how a billion and a half Africans think about now being classified as a sub-variety of Americans?
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