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This is a common usage, but personally I feel it's one of the worst. I've never met an actual "Black" person, unless they've been painted with black paint.

I have met many people with dark-coloured skin, but never black.
Similarly I don't call lighter-skinned people "White" people, or "yellow" people.

Personally I feel the extreme-colour palette generalization is the most offensive of all, but that's just my opinion.
When I visited the USA I visited some blue states and some red states but as far as I could see the grass was the same shade of green in both.
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Some Americans I know say "African American" even when the person isn't American and has never been to America. I suppose that can also be interpreted as being discrimantory. I wonder how a billion and a half Africans think about now being classified as a sub-variety of Americans?
If I was a Zulu, i'd smack you up with my war club for this blatant stereotyping...
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If I was a Zulu, i'd smack you up with my war club for this blatant stereotyping...
If I were a Boer I'd shoot you between the eyes from 500 yards with my Lee Enfield 0.303
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Some Americans I know say "African American" even when the person isn't American and has never been to America. I suppose that can also be interpreted as being discrimantory. I wonder how a billion and a half Africans think about now being classified as a sub-variety of Americans?
I have been wondering about that too. I only know of black people saying they preferred to be referred to as 'black'.

Again, I truly didn't intend to affend anyone by using the 'historically older terms' for black people. In Africa I have heard some bad words from times to times when mentioning black people. I don't want to bring them up, but just state once again that I didn't mean to affend anyone.
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Old 06.06.2011, 14:40
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Some Americans I know say "African American" even when the person isn't American and has never been to America. I suppose that can also be interpreted as being discrimantory. I wonder how a billion and a half Africans think about now being classified as a sub-variety of Americans?
It's OK, Americans can only claim said Africans if they can correctly find Africa on a map...

(how many oft-recurring controversial EF discussions can we get into one thread..?)
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It's OK, Americans can only claim said Africans if they can correctly find Africa on a map...

(how many oft-recurring controversial EF discussions can we get into one thread..?)
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When I visited the USA I visited some blue states and some red states but as far as I could see the grass was the same shade of green in both.
Can we cut the crap and either close this thread or get back on topic?
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Old 06.06.2011, 14:51
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Can we cut the crap and either close this thread or get back on topic?
What more could one possibly say on this topic? Neger used to be ok, is not ok anymore and even at Swiss court counts as a heavy insult: http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/story/27041079

No, children should not call somebody like this. No, some pre-school teacher has something seriously going wrong if she uses it in her collages.

Case closed.
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

seriously, some people here are really taking the piss. Like you cannot write a word about which you have a discussion in a very civilized way. Kids calling other kids something is usually just bullying, not specifically racism but maybe discrimination. Cause if the kids were calling another kid a red head, a wurstfresser or cheesehead would be the same thing but not racist. Still we don;t want that cause it is painful on the kid.

What I do think is overreacting is the threats used by hubbie. Obviously I don;t know the reaction of the parents but you can also explain and ask them to do something about it without making all those threats. But maybe that was step 2 cause the parents were dismissive or whatever I don;t know.

And there is definitely a difference between THE WORD negro and nigger like Antoine sais, as the first was until like 15 (?) years ago just a word to describe someone, and the latter was/is a very wrong racist word.

I use now the word black person although I find that a less adequate word then negro, as black means to me pitch black like for instance soccer player Clarence Seedorf, while (to me) negro is anyone from african decent. But if that word is received as offensive even if I don;t mean it to be I won't use it.

And about the S-A policemen: I think that is not special but normal: they need a description, and there are quite a lot of skin colors out there!
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Case closed.
I was still kind of hoping the OP was going to answer my question about why the kindergarten was using a Swiss-German written word in its worksheets but I guess it's got lost in the storm of African-American debate...
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Old 06.06.2011, 15:17
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Re: Should the word Nigger be used in Swiss German?

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I was still kind of hoping the OP was going to answer my question about why the kindergarten was using a Swiss-German written word in its worksheets but I guess it's got lost in the storm of African-American debate...

I think that was answered at length and quite clearly. The word used to be okay to use and until very recently wasn't normally considered discriminatory. The Kindergarten failed to keep up with the times and was using old material. What else do you want anybody to say about it?

After a thread has responded to the original question and has fulfilled its purpose, it is legitimate that it goes off on a tangent and says silly things, no?
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

I find the responses in this post amusing.. At the end of the day NO it is not acceptable for anyone to be called a 'nigger' or a neger' in English, German or otherwise. I think the response of the father to his child being racially abused was completely justified. It is my assumption that most of the people posting have clearly never experienced anything like this, therefore are not entirely equipped to pass judgement as to whether it is acceptable or not...
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I think that was answered at length and quite clearly. The word used to be okay to use and until very recently wasn't normally considered discriminatory. The Kindergarten failed to keep up with the times and was using old material. What else do you want anybody to say about it?
Nothing to do with the context or the meaning - I was wondering why a word in DIALECT was written in a worksheet (educational document, call it what you will) in a Kindergarten when the written language is High German. I can't imagine material even going back a couple of generations would be writing school material in dialect.

And I was interested to know if the rest of the worksheet was in "Schwiizertüüsch" or Hochdeutsch.

It just seemed inconsistent and unusual but important to the thread, that's all. So no, it hasn't been answered at all.
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

What completely baffles me (and makes me cringe)...is how many people here, have no problem or inclination posting racial slurs and other offending material.
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If my auntie had balls, she would be my uncle. And so on.
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If I were a Boer I'd shoot you between the eyes from 500 yards with my Lee Enfield 0.303
We are all ignorant about somethings, so a little bit of forgiveness may be in order. Many Swiss still need coaching to come into the 21st century on this issue.
You might like to supply the school with the following list:

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The following German-English glossary should be used with caution. Many of the German terms listed here are perjorative and/or offensive. Some of them were used during Nazi times (and later) to denigrate blacks.

Besatzungskind, das "occupation child," a child born of a black GI and a German mother after 1945
Farbige, der colored (person)
Mischling, der mixed-breed, bastard
Mohr, der moor (dated term)
Mulatte, der mulatto m.
Mulattin, die mulatto f.
Neger, der negro (but also has a bad connotation similar to "nigger")
Negerkuss, der "negro kiss" (chocolate candy)
More 'PC' term: der Schokokuss ("chocolate kiss")
Negerlein, das little negro, "Black Sambo"
Negermusik, die negro music, jazz (term used by Nazis)
neger sein to be broke (slang, dialect)
Rassismus, der racism
Schwarze, der/die black person (male/female)
ein Schwarzer a black man, eine Schwarze a black woman
Zehn kleine Negerlein Ten Little Negros/Sambos (Ten Little Indians)
Adé, D-Flame, Torch, Ebony Prince, and Linguist are the names of 'afrodeutsche' Rapper
You see a lot of Swiss (Like Blocher) still have fond links with the South African Boers; they feel like an endangered species. They feel a need to discriminate to make it clear to themselves about who they are.

However, I asked whether the other children were of African descent and got no reply. I also take issue with people of African descent using the pejorative term. If have little African/Swiss/British/ American/Iranian grandchildren I will tell them that I view the term as offensive. That they do not have the excuses that the ignorant or uneducated use. If they perpetuate this word by using it even in a non- pejorative way, then they cannot blame Swiss kids who try to identify with other races by using terms of affection such as "What's up N****" when they heard it in a rap song or film.

there shouldn't be any I can use that word but you can't- that's racist.

Kids can be mean, some of it is just sticks and stone the ones whose parents try to identify with the Boers are the ones to watch out for:

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If my auntie had balls, she would be my uncle. And so on.
If I was half-Swiss, I'd explain you the irony in my statement... but I'm not.

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After a thread has responded to the original question and has fulfilled its purpose, it is legitimate that it goes off on a tangent and says silly things, no?
Despite having been one such tangent myself, I can't really agree with that point - the whole concept of a forum is that this post will still be here in years to come for someone else with the same question to come and find and revive if needs be. The more it fills with spam and junk, the less "use" the forum itself is.

We don't inherit the forum from older members, we're borrowing it from the ones who haven't joined yet. Or something.
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

With regard to the Swiss- Boer and African White refugees this link may be of interest to some:

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RESPONSE FROM SWISS PRESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL OF STATES:

On 05 January 2011, a written response was received from the General
Secretariat Parliamentary Services Office of Hansheiri Inderkum, President
of the Council of States.

They wished to acknowledge receipt of the "African White Refugees Petition
and Briefing Paper" email and PDF, and to inform Jus Sanguinis Boer
Volkstaat Campaign on the correct procedure for submitting such a petition.


----- QUOTE -----
The Committee for Legal Affairs of the Swiss Parliaments is responsible for
receiving petitions.

Petitions must however be submitted in hardcopy form and bear the original
signatures.

After checking with the Embassy, we have ascertained that your petition was
sent only by e-mail.

We would therefore kindly request you to hand in the original hardcopy of
the petition at the Embassy, which will pass it on to the Committee for
Legal Affairs in Bern..
----- END QUOTE -----



TRC FRAUD IN HARD COPY?

It is time that the European Union officials be informed of the TRC FRAUD
reasons (and there are many of them in that Briefing Paper), that they owe
African White Refugees the moral and political support to either regain self
government, by providing international and EU recognition for the VVK's
elections and Volkstaat negotiations process; or the right to return to
Europe as Jus Sanguinis citizens.


The Jus Sanguinis Campaign shall consequently make plans to have the
Petition and Briefing Paper printed into a hardcopy Report format, for
submission to the five Embassies in Pretoria as well as the Danish Embassy,
for forwarding to the NATO Secretary General and Military Committee.


Source Note: The full written responses from the Netherlands Embassy and
Swiss President of Council of States are posted on the Jus Sanguinis site,
on their respective Petition pages.


Contact: Lara Johnstone
Email: jussanguinis@mweb.co.za
Cell: +27 (71) 170 1954
http://www.jussanguinis.com
http://www.african-white-refugees.co.nr
http://praag.co.uk/news/southern-afr...volkstaat.html
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

A few weeks ago when EF had the dust-up about Swiss kids in blackface, the OP caught a lot flack for giving the Swiss school system minus 1 million points because of perceived level of willful ignorance.

Wouldn't this be another example of the Swiss school system again perpetuating a certain level of ignorance? Or is this another Swiss behavior that foreigners should just get used to?
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