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A few weeks ago when EF had the dust-up about Swiss kids in blackface, the OP caught a lot flack for giving the Swiss school system minus 1 million points because of perceived level of willful ignorance.

Wouldn't this be another example of the Swiss school system again perpetuating a certain level of ignorance? Or is this another Swiss behavior that foreigners should just get used to?
The OP didn't cop a load of flak because she didn't act like judge, jury and executioner on the opener. This OP stated what had happened then opened a debate as to whether it was acceptable behaviour in Switzerland.
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A few weeks ago when EF had the dust-up about Swiss kids in blackface, the OP caught a lot flack for giving the Swiss school system minus 1 million points because of perceived level of willful ignorance.

Wouldn't this be another example of the Swiss school system again perpetuating a certain level of ignorance? Or is this another Swiss behavior that foreigners should just get used to?
That depends on you- how do you see the future of Switzerland? Are you willing to invest, to become part of the society by becoming Swiss, to acknowledge and protect the virtues of Swiss society? Or are you merely in the country as economic refugees, opportunists who take and never have respect let alone give back to the ordinary Swiss?
If you want change then you have to be open to being changed yourself that entails investing and committing something of yourself; socially and economically. So many foreigners in Switzeralnd can't be bothered- it is too much effort and in any case they have intention of staying, should the Swiss adapt to accommodate such people?
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Why is it when the word "Nigger" comes out of a white man's mouth they are labelled as racist? And yet when a black man, called his fellow black man a "Nigger" No complaints whatsoever?

I'm sorry but I think some people are just over reacting on the subject.

Here's a relevant story for you.

I remember a year ago or so when I was still living in the U.K. There was news about banning the use of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" (children's nursery rhyme) on the grounds that it was racialist because of the word "Black". My first reaction was. You what??
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Re: Should the word "Näggr" be used in Swiss German?

Goodness me....is it 1986 already?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loony_l...aa_White_Sheep

I think the only sheep in this are those who read tabloid newspapers and believe what is written in them.

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I remember a year ago or so when I was still living in the U.K. There was news about banning the use of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" (children's nursery rhyme) on the grounds that it was racialist because of the word "Black". My first reaction was. You what??
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Why is it when the word "Nigger" comes out of a white man's mouth they are labelled as racist? And yet when a black man, called his fellow black man a "Nigger" No complaints whatsoever?

I'm sorry but I think some people are just over reacting on the subject.

Here's a relevant story for you.

I remember a year ago or so when I was still living in the U.K. There was news about banning the use of "Baa Baa Black Sheep" (children's nursery rhyme) on the grounds that it was racialist because of the word "Black". My first reaction was. You what??
I will buy you your copy of the Sun if it'll just keep you quiet. Your urban myth was created because the authors knew it would be positively lapped up by people who were absolutely gagging for it.

The word isn't "racist" and no one says it is. It's usage is usually racist. But I'm sure you understand that, don't you?
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We are all ignorant about somethings, so a little bit of forgiveness may be in order. Many Swiss still need coaching to come into the 21st century on this issue.
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You see a lot of Swiss (Like Blocher) still have fond links with the South African Boers; they feel like an endangered species. They feel a need to discriminate to make it clear to themselves about who they are.

However, I asked whether the other children were of African descent and got no reply. I also take issue with people of African descent using the pejorative term. If have little African/Swiss/British/ American/Iranian grandchildren I will tell them that I view the term as offensive. That they do not have the excuses that the ignorant or uneducated use. If they perpetuate this word by using it even in a non- pejorative way, then they cannot blame Swiss kids who try to identify with other races by using terms of affection such as "What's up N****" when they heard it in a rap song or film.

there shouldn't be any I can use that word but you can't- that's racist.

Kids can be mean, some of it is just sticks and stone the ones whose parents try to identify with the Boers are the ones to watch out for:

Am I not a man?
Instead of having a list of words that you should not use a list of words that can be used would be more helpful.

So, what are the proper words for the different skin colours?
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Instead of having a list of words that you should not use a list of words that can be used would be more helpful.

So, what are the proper words for the different skin colours?

This is always the question when I tell someone that I refuse to use the word "black" to refer to someone with darker skin.

I usually just say--whatever their name is
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Goodness me....is it 1986 already?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loony_l...aa_White_Sheep

I think the only sheep in this are those who read tabloid newspapers and believe what is written in them.

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Why is it when the word "Nigger" comes out of a white man's mouth they are labelled as racist? And yet when a black man, called his fellow black man a "Nigger" No complaints whatsoever?
Congratulations, you made it as far as recognizing that a double standard exists. Now you can work on analyzing the social and historical context behind all that. Oh, to be young and discover new things.
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This is always the question when I tell someone that I refuse to use the word "black" to refer to someone with darker skin.

I usually just say--whatever their name is
I might not know the person's name, I may even be describing them to someone who I think can tell me the name that I should put to that face.

I have very pale skin, the only people whiter than me are albino, I know this is used to describe me sometimes and I have no issue with it.
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This is always the question when I tell someone that I refuse to use the word "black" to refer to someone with darker skin.

I usually just say--whatever their name is
See, some of the people with darker skin refer to themselves as black. But I never heard any asians referring to themselves as yellow.

Maybe the difference is if the expression comes from outside or inside the particular group.
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Instead of having a list of words that you should not use a list of words that can be used would be more helpful.

So, what are the proper words for the different skin colours?

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well, mexicans... ahh you figure it out vvvv

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I might not know the person's name, I may even be describing them to someone who I think can tell me the name that I should put to that face.

I have very pale skin, the only people whiter than me are albino, I know this is used to describe me sometimes and I have no issue with it.

Many have no issues with it, but some do, and I find it to be a pretty weak generalization.

Again, it's just my opinion--but I have been called everything from 'white-boy' to the dreaded N-bomb. Personally I never get offended, but I know many Asians who's jaw's would drop if I referred to them by a general colour which is slightly similar to their's, in comparison to mine.
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So, what are the proper words for the different skin colours?
Cream, bone, white, off-white, ivory or beige

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Cream, bone, white, off-white, ivory or beige


or using pantone colour charts?
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or using pantone colour charts?

I prefer hexidecimal.

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I will buy you your copy of the Sun if it'll just keep you quiet.
Save your pennies. I'm not a news paper person. News doesn't necessarily means it comes from a news paper. you do know that don't you?

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The word isn't "racist" and no one says it is.
Then what's the fuss about the word "Nigger/Näggr" then?

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It's usage is usually racist. But I'm sure you understand that, don't you?
So you are saying, if you use the word "Nigger" with the intent of cussing someone who is black, it is an act of "racism". But if you have no intention of cussing them it is Okay? Okay fair dos. Your words not mine.

But I dare you introducing my friend to someone using the word "Nigger" (doesn't matter how you sugar coat the word) and see where it lands you.
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Save your pennies. I'm not a news paper person. News doesn't necessarily means it comes from a news paper. you do know that don't you?



Then what's the fuss about the word "Nigger/Näggr" then?



So you are saying, if you use the word "Nigger" with the intent of cussing someone who is black, it is an act of "racism". But if you have no intention of cussing them it is Okay? Okay fair dos. Your words not mine.

But I dare you introducing my friend to someone using the word "Nigger" (doesn't matter how you sugar coat the word) and see where it lands you.
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