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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

will not be 600 calories though, more like 1200, the key is losing weight so that you see results but also you feel good...600 is too little will not cover even my resting metabolism
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will not be 600 calories though, more like 1200, the key is losing weight so that you see results but also you feel good...600 is too little will not cover even my resting metabolism
Yes, I am sure the calorie count should be relative to body weight and required in take. Where can I get a 600 calorie diet play from ?

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Yes, I am sure the calorie count should be relative to body weight and required in take. Where can I get a 600 calorie die play from ?

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You are ON!!! Let's do this!
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So, anyone here want to start the diet with me ?

I suppose I should approach a nutritionist / dietitian to get a meal plan.

Any suggestions ?
I have a relative who was diagnosed with Type II diabetes and reversed it with a vegan low carb diet. (became a McDougall follower) I'm not sure that I could go that extreme though. In any case, I see lots of vegetables in your future.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

In case if someone is looking for a more conservative approach under the guidance of medical staff...

There are excellent adipositas clinics for overweight/diabetic people who want to shed some pounds, and the treatment costs are all covered by health insurance. http://www.premiumswitzerland.com/be...nd/obesity.htm

The treatment involves; diet, personal training, medication (eg. Xenical, a pill which makes your fat melt), nutritional advice, and in worst case surgery.

My dad has undergone such treatment at a clinic with very good results, and he's been keeping his weight now for 10+years.

I would have a chat with an adipositas/diabetis specialist doctor, and ask him about which treatment possibilities are available for your illness, before you start a (rather radical) diet from the internet on your own, which may have serious adverse effects on your health.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

What Xenical does is stops the absoprtion of up to 25-30% of the fat you eat so ifyou eat a bit too much fat you will get diarrhea, a friend of mine sh1t in her pants for eating a piece of chocolate (totally her fault I know) but could not even get to the toilet!!!it just scaped her!! Ok sorry for the yuk factor!!!
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

My friend was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and had to be hospitalized. Since losing nearly 50 kilos she no longer has to inject insulin and just checks her sugar levels a few times a day. It's not been easy for her but she looks so healthy and is very proud of what she's achieved.
She also attends a self help group in the hope she can stop, once and for all her emotional food dependency.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

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15 months ago I was type 2 diabetic and I was on medication. I also had high blood pressure and was taking medication for that also. I decided I no longer wanted to take the medications because I felt they were doing more damage than good. I went on a diet and lost 18 kilos. I no longer take any medication and have not felt better in my life.

Before that I had a personal trainer but it did not help as I was still eating bad foods.

I stopped eating all sugar and refined carbs. I do not eat any dairy. I eat fruits, vegetables, unsalted nuts, fish and chicken.

I will not go off this diet because either I will have all kinds of unpleasant symptoms and possibly die early; non of which I want.Before my diet I was having toe nails turning black and falling off.

I know that carbs and sugar are addictive. I can make all kinds of excuses, such as no carbs are unheatlhy etc. I needed to face reality, either cut out the carbs or die. Very simple. I still have plenty of fun and excitement in my life.

Oh, I do not drink flavored drinks or alcohol.

Sounds boring? Well, I find ways to make life more interesting. I use hot spices in my foods.

The feeling good far exceeds the pleasures of sugar or alcohol consumption.

If any one wants some support or encouragement you can contact me by private message.

The word 'diet' is somewhat taboo, sure. I spent years studying diabetes at the Banting and Best Diabetes Centre in Toronto and I promise you, diet and exercise are the best ways to battle Type 2 diabetes. (I had gestational diabetes and I have been promised by my endocrinologist that I will need to watch my diet and exercise for the rest of my life to ward off Type 2 diabetes myself)

Low carb / high protein diets are good for diabetics. Your body can turn proteins (amino acids, the building blocks of proteins) into sugar releasing it SLOWLY into your bloodstream. When there is too much sugar in your bloodstream your body has to find other things to do with it ... enter diabetic complications. Staying away from starchy foods and refined sugars is a very good idea for type 2 diabetics. If you want a structured diet to follow, check out the South Beach diet or even the Atkins Diet.

Exercise. Your muscles take in sugar through a different route than the rest of your body; type 2 diabetics can lower their blood sugar levels with exercise (not once or twice a week, but rather shorter workouts at least once / day ... but better 2-3 times per week after meals)

Losing weight is a great idea for type 2 diabetics. A lifestyle change that involves eating less sugars/starchy foods and daily exercise is the best thing you can do for yourself.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

A video that supports the above comments. Good luck.


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Old 27.06.2011, 14:24
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What Xenical does is stops the absoprtion of up to 25-30% of the fat you eat so ifyou eat a bit too much fat you will get diarrhea, a friend of mine sh1t in her pants for eating a piece of chocolate (totally her fault I know) but could not even get to the toilet!!!it just scaped her!! Ok sorry for the yuk factor!!!
That's also why the product went down the toilet...






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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

In the US, you can buy Xenical (orilistat) over the counter at half the prescription dose - I think it's called Alli. I don't think it's successful as an OTC med either. Could be a pricey crap.

I'd imagine a 600 calorie diet is a low fat, lean protein, low carb diet, probably liquid, and you need to drink a lot of water with it. I also imagine that you might not have the energy to do much of anything on it.

What I wonder about is how you transition back to normal eating once it's done....maybe it's not long enough for your body to adjust to and become more efficicent (requiring fewer calories to maintain your weight), which is what can happen under situations of starvation.

And it won't work for everyone - in a sample of 11, it worked for 7 people...tiny sample, about 2/3 response, and you really have to collect more data and look at the long term effects.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

The issue is the steatorrhea (fatty crap) that Ang mentioned.

Your body is incredibly good at absorbing fat - 96-98%+ of the fat you eat will be absorbed (which makes a mockery of people who say "fat is bad for you").

You only need to block a few % of your fat intake to get steatorrhea and you are quite literally pooped. The problem is that your anal sphincter is primed to stop water-based liquids and simply cannot stop fatty liquids, hence when you get caught short, you really do quite literally crap your pants. And it stinks. Rancid. People just couldn't live with that kind of side-effect.

Nice idea, just didn't work in reality. Efficacy great, effectiveness poor.
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The issue is the steatorrhea (fatty crap) that Ang mentioned.

Believe me I had never seen anything like it...
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

Thanks for the video. But to be fair, looking at the GI index allows you to eat small amounts of low GI carbs- new potatoes instead of baked, al dente basmati rice instead of risotto/sticky rice, dark brown bread instead of white, etc. For cereals avoid most packet cereals - most contain so much sugar and palm oil, etc- stick to porridge (larger oats the better) which is low GI. It is the excess starch you want to avoid- eg all refined 'white' carbs, which quickly turn into sugar then into fat, esp. if you are insulin resistant.

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here's a little commentary on the study, and lifestyle changes in general
the author raises some useful concerns about the study....


http://networkedblogs.com/jPgyG
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here's a little commentary on the study, and lifestyle changes in general
the author raises some useful concerns about the study....


http://networkedblogs.com/jPgyG
I read the blog and wanted to reply but could not.

They mentioned that all doctors suggest diet and exercise. I think that deep down inside we all know this but when he prescribes a medication that possibly could let me carry on with my life style then why not. Has a doctor ever said, do not come back to me until you are prepared to change your lifestyle.

I think this article, no matter how well researched it was, gave a clear message that type 2 diabetes can be improved. I say improved because if I do get back to my previous life style I will be diabetic again. I think that important message of this study is hope.
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I read the blog and wanted to reply but could not.

They mentioned that all doctors suggest diet and exercise. I think that deep down inside we all know this but when he prescribes a medication that possibly could let me carry on with my life style then why not. Has a doctor ever said, do not come back to me until you are prepared to change your lifestyle.
Yes, this is starting to happen. But not for every condition but sometimes before treatment such as IVF which is expensive and has a low chance of success, and an even lower chance when obesity is factored in.
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Yes, this is starting to happen. But not for every condition but sometimes before treatment such as IVF which is expensive and has a low chance of success, and an even lower chance when obesity is factored in.
Yes, there are some (good) doctors who are doing this but not enough. Most are ruled by the money from reoccurring appointments.
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Yes, there are some (good) doctors who are doing this but not enough. Most are ruled by the money from reoccurring appointments.
Sad, jaded view.

Nor do I agree.

Why?

Because it simply isn't true.
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Sad, jaded view.

Nor do I agree.

Why?

Because it simply isn't true.
More of a realistic point of view. We have greedy self centered business people . Why are the doctors not affected.

As I said there are good doctors. Actually there are some great doctors but there are doctors who are not so

Why do doctors prescribe medications and treatments when it is not neccessary. Why has a watch dog agency been set up to review the doctors charge
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