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I think you will find that Swiss Dr's seem to be quite thorough. They have a relatively vast infrastructure to draw from when it comes to diagnosis. Just because a test comes back negative does not mean that test was not required. A negative test eliminates certain suspected causes and forms the basis of a thorough examination.

May I ask how you are qualified to determine that a certain test was not necessary ?

Okay I really do need to go. But I will explain. It has nothing to do with whether the test comes back negative. It is a question of whether the test needed to be done at all. It was in the news sometime back(no I don't have tha article) that the insurance companies were going to be more stringent because of this practice.

Yes, the Swiss Drs. can be very thorough I agree

Please, point is that there are Drs. who aren't.

Yes, how are we supposed to know when a Dr. says or recommends this or that. Well, check on the internet. As someone wrote before a lot of what goes on is because the patients do not ask.

I also think that if you go into the archives on this forum you can find stories of people in health providing poor health care.

Do you want to know what qulatifies me to ask. It is my life and my body. This is what qualifies me to ask any questions.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

Many tests and x-rays are done un-necessarily here in CH, for many reasons. One is that each GP is expected to have the equipment, so take big loans which need re-paying. Another is patient led - as they expect tests and x-rays, etc, to be done- and will 'walk' if this does not happen. Another reason why I liked the UK GP system, is that you had a long-term relationship with said GP (you could change if there was a problem or you didn't get on of course) - who would know about you and your family as a whole. Here patients go direct to specialists for many things, and the GP does not really get an overall picture. I can never understand why so many people here go straight to a paediatrician for kids minor ailments (which is very expensive). The constant merry go round that some patients adopt here is very expensive and bordering on the dangerous, as tests are often repeated and 'advice' which they don't want to hear is by-passed by just going to another doctor, and again, until said patient hears from they want to hear, get the 'un-necessary tests or even prescription. An example- if a heavy smoker gets bronchitis on a regular basis and the GP explains that the smoking is the most significant factor, and that more antibiotics will not 'do the trick' - a patient can either listen and accept that this is indeed the case- or 'walk' to another doctor. Or if someone who is very heavy has knee problems and the doctor explains that the excess weight is not helping, the patient can take this on board and try to lose weight - or go to another doctor who will say the weight is not an issue. In the UK the patient may stomp off in a huff, but hopefully will come back a few days later to discuss the issues and solutions, rather than just seek another doctor, more tests, more x-rays, more drugs, etc.
Which is why many insurances are trying to encourage patients to switch to a GP based Insurance- so that the GP can monitor the overall picture and try to avoid the huge number of un-necessary specialist visits and un-necessary testing.
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Okay I really do need to go. But I will explain. It has nothing to do with whether the test comes back negative. It is a question of whether the test needed to be done at all. It was in the news sometime back(no I don't have tha article) that the insurance companies were going to be more stringent because of this practice.

Yes, the Swiss Drs. can be very thorough I agree

Please, point is that there are Drs. who aren't.

Yes, how are we supposed to know when a Dr. says or recommends this or that. Well, check on the internet. As someone wrote before a lot of what goes on is because the patients do not ask.

I also think that if you go into the archives on this forum you can find stories of people in health providing poor health care.

Do you want to know what qulatifies me to ask. It is my life and my body. This is what qualifies me to ask any questions.

Of course it is your body , and your right to ask, but that doesn't make you qualified (suitably trained and educated) to determine whether or not the test was necessary does it ?
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I just recived this news artilce which I think is good food for thought in regard to research research

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...orance-foucart
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I just recived this news artilce which I think is good food for thought in regard to research research

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...orance-foucart

OK, time to get back on topic...

"Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet."
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Of course it is your body , and your right to ask, but that doesn't make you qualified (suitably trained and educated) to determine whether or not the test was necessary does it ?
Boy this is addicitve.

Because I am not qualified then I have no right to ask questions!

This is the whole problem. I am led to believe by those in government, in business, in religion and in health that since i am not qualified then I have no right to ask questions. This fosters dependence.

If a Dr. says that I need a certain test then I have a right to ask why.If I am not happy with the answer then I need to find out why or go some plqce else. This is my right. We need to learn to trust in ourselves.

Many are initimidated by the Dr or who ever and even is fearful of looking stupid. We get 5 minutes if we are lucky and if we ask a question they become impatient and show it. Time is money. There are more Drs. though who are giving patients their time because the patients are asking for it.
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Old 01.07.2011, 11:57
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May I ask how you are qualified to determine that a certain test was not necessary ?
Um. Actually, although not a Dr, I have challenged our physicians at times about whether test X, Y or Z is really necessary. Often the reply has been "well, just to be safe" with a and shoulder shrug.

Nowhere more so than in the field of Obs & Gynae vis-a-vis pregnancy.

Drs here do over-test, because they get money for it - revenue generated from additional patient time and carrying out the test. If it cost them money, you'd see the number of tests drop. Drastically.

But that's just my considered opinion.

But if you want proof of the opposite, look at the mess the NHS is over GP pay as a result of trying to implement a similar strategy of paying for "results". That came and bit them (the NHS) in the backside.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

I am not totally in agreement with this my ex-husband has been diagnosed with Diabetic 2 and was a very thin person, he got an infection in his foot and unfortunately he lost 10kg because he was only drinking fluids, now he is very thin he lost all the muscles he had (only a few)during this period, so not only large people get Diabetic 2.


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Hopefully very good news for people like myself, recently diagnosed.

In brief.

The 11 participants in the study were all diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes within the previous four years.

They cut their food intake drastically for two months, eating only liquid diet drinks and non-starchy vegetables.

Seven out of 11 people studied were free of diabetes three months later, say findings published in the journal.

"This diet was only used to test the hypothesis that if people lose substantial weight they will lose their diabetes."

"Such a drastic diet should only be undertaken under medical supervision. Despite being a very small trial, we look forward to future results particularly to see whether the reversal would remain in the long term."
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I am not totally in agreement with this my ex-husband has been diagnosed with Diabetic 2 and was a very thin person, he got an infection in his foot and unfortunately he lost 10kg because he was only drinking fluids, now he is very thin he lost all the muscles he had (only a few)during this period, so not only large people get Diabetic 2.
Statement of the obvious?

The results say that it worked for 7/11 of the participants.

Just in case you didn't know, it's not only smokers who get cancer.

Oh, and welcome aboard!
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I am not totally in agreement with this my ex-husband has been diagnosed with Diabetic 2 and was a very thin person, he got an infection in his foot and unfortunately he lost 10kg because he was only drinking fluids, now he is very thin he lost all the muscles he had (only a few)during this period, so not only large people get Diabetic 2.

Welcome to the forum.

I think the article suggests , that for those people whose Diabetes was caused by excessive fat, that it can be cured by reversing the path in the recently diagnosed. I do not think the article suggests that only overwight people get Diabetes type II.
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Not really about reversing Type II diabetes with a 600 calorie diet are they ?
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

To be honest, I would rather the doctors over-test just to be sure - medicine is not an exact science and you don't know what is going to be thrown in from left field. You never know what might turn up.

I lost my dad a year ago because I think the NHS cut corners on testing and missed the thing that eventually killed him.

At least here they have the time and resources to carry out tests whether they are necessary or not. If I have to pay a bit extra, well, I'd rather that than leave it to chance then find something has got to the "advanced" stage.

I have no qualifications in medicine so would prefer to rely on someone who does (i.e my doctor) and not come up with half-baked conclusions from bits and bobs of unregulated crap I dig up on t'internet...
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Sorry to hear about your dad.

Over-testing is hugely expensive, but can also be dangerous, in the case of x-rays or certain scans, and hugely expensive. We could all have scans several times a year, just in case something may be found ... Personally I'd rather rely on a very well qualified and experienced doctor with a confident diagnosis, and only have tests or drugs when absolutely necessary. Look at prostate cancer for instance- much evidence shows that in older men, the treatment is often more dangerous then the disease.
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To be honest, I would rather the doctors over-test just to be sure - medicine is not an exact science and you don't know what is going to be thrown in from left field. You never know what might turn up.

I lost my dad a year ago because I think the NHS cut corners on testing and missed the thing that eventually killed him.

At least here they have the time and resources to carry out tests whether they are necessary or not. If I have to pay a bit extra, well, I'd rather that than leave it to chance then find something has got to the "advanced" stage.

I have no qualifications in medicine so would prefer to rely on someone who does (i.e my doctor) and not come up with half-baked conclusions from bits and bobs of unregulated crap I dig up on t'internet...
I point is to be more active in your health rather than depending on someone to look after you.

I know a person who is in the coaching business who asks a lot of questions and is amazed how mucvh is missed by health professionals. Sometimes the specialists become narrow because they are alooking only for one thing. Also, the doctors do not spend enough time with their patients because they are very busy.

It is the way the system has evolved.

There is actually a lot of good information on the internet.
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There is actually a lot of good information on the internet.
You will find an article for and against any argument. It's simply a matter of choosing which one to believe, which is probably going to be the one closest to your initial pre-educated pattern of thought. Most things that you read, which contradict you or would force you to re-evaluate, are generally discarded. You end up simply subscribing to a school of thought that is easiest for you.
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The name of the book I was referring to earlier is

There is a Cure for Diabetes by Gabriel Cousens, MD
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You will find an article for and against any argument. It's simply a matter of choosing which one to believe, which is probably going to be the one closest to your initial pre-educated pattern of thought. Most things that you read, which contradict you or would force you to re-evaluate, are generally discarded. You end up simply subscribing to a school of thought that is easiest for you.
and a doctor that will tell you what you want to hear and gives you the treatment you want to have (which is often not the best way to deal with the issues). Doctor 'tourism' is extremely expensive and can even be dangerous.
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You will find an article for and against any argument. It's simply a matter of choosing which one to believe, which is probably going to be the one closest to your initial pre-educated pattern of thought. Most things that you read, which contradict you or would force you to re-evaluate, are generally discarded. You end up simply subscribing to a school of thought that is easiest for you.
Yes, I agree very much. This of course applies to scientific studies as well.

It is nice to get to the point that we can learn how to question some of our old limiting beliefs. To be able to recognize what is good and bad for us
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