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Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

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This being at home from work and spending time with my baby girl is wonderful... But this afternoon she is being really difficult . She slept 11hrs (an hour less than usual) last night and an hour and a half this morning. She's clearly very tired and needs another snooze. We had a nice morning together out, lunch went well, and she's had a snack and plenty to drink, a fresh nappy and a presnooze cuddle. Conditions are perfect, but she screams all the time in bed or out .

She put her 'blankie' (cuddle blanket) in the wash this morning and it's been all down hill from there . It probably doesn't help that she might be getting more teeth through.

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Re: Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

First thought: teeth - but you've already covered that.

Give up any hope/expectation of doing anything else, you'll have a chance to de-stress (about what you are not doing) and you'll feel better about spending some lovely 1:1 time with your toddler.








... then your husband will come home and ask why you didn't get X, Y, Z done...
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Hi All,

This being at home from work and spending time with my baby girl is wonderful... But this afternoon she is being really difficult . She slept 11hrs (an hour less than usual) last night and an hour and a half this morning. She's clearly very tired and needs another snooze. We had a nice morning together out, lunch went well, and she's had a snack and plenty to drink, a fresh nappy and a presnooze cuddle. Conditions are perfect, but she screams all the time in bed or out .

She put her 'blankie' (cuddle blanket) in the wash this morning and it's been all down hill from there . It probably doesn't help that she might be getting more teeth through.

*Sigh*

Thanks for letting me vent guys

Puddy
Hi Puddycat,

How old is your toddler? My little one stopped having two naps (am and pm) from about 1 year old. She now only has one afternoon nap ranging from 40 mins to 1.5 hours and she also sleeps 12 hours each night.

Luckily, she hasn't formed a particular bond with one toy only and has always slept without cuddly things (unless you include mummy or daddy) but I can imagine if she is used to snuggling with it at nap time then this might be what is distressing her.

Good luck and I hope people have some useful tips and tricks for you soon.
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Re: Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

Just when you think you are doing really well - mastered teething, coping with tantrums quite well, your toddler throws you a curve ball. Toddler goes to bed a toddler and wakes up a newborn. Not eating, not sleeping, not teething so what is it???

Have been advised it could be the start of a young child's dreams and nightmares. And it will be your nightmare as well. Good luck. It will pass. The last two months have been hellish for us but I finally think we have our old toddler back. And now I am wondering what all the fuss was about. (though last week I still wanted to stick my head in the oven). Amazing what sleep and lack of it does to your mind. Hang in there...
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Re: Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

I wouldn't worry unless it becomes a long term thing. And if it does, drop a nap.

But it does sound like teething to me. Which teeth, strangely I thought the canines were worse than the molars.......

I was frantic on Sunday night because, even though my nearly 3 year old doesn't have naps, my ex husband and his girlfriend put her down in the afternoon and as a result she was sitting in bed 'reading' to her bears / telling stories / playing with imaginary dinosaurs and monsters / re arranging furniture / picking plastic off a stool etc etc etc until midnight (at least that's when I fell asleep, she was probably at it longer) but the last two nights, straight to sleep like an angel.
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Re: Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

I agree with the teething, but it could be a number of things. You said toddler, so I'm guessing perhaps between age 1-3 years or a little younger? I know that my 2 year old has always had just 1 nap (mid day) and sleeps for 2 hours (if she wakes up because of something startling her...it's chaos the whole entire day through)...But she also sleeps 12 hours in the night and has only just started sleeping straight through the night in her own bed for the past 2 days (cross your fingers for more days to come)...

Reason why I've said all this is there are occasional times when she decides to test the boundaries of our normal routine. We read a book, we make sure all her animals that she request is in bed, but still she'll try, just as I'm trying to close the door to beg me to stay (or perhaps sleep in my bed). If I stick to my guns, she's realized that nothing comes out of the line pushing and she passes off to sleep. It's just a child trying to get reactions out of you, even though they don't understand how these issues really stress us out.

Take deep breaths and perhaps it's just a moment in time, just be careful not to 'give in' too much to their demands, once they find that loop hole, it's all down hill from there! - and best of luck, I know I feel your pain!

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Kill two birds with one stone - take her for a nap in your bed and get some sleep yourself.

If she's feeling a bit out of sorts and needs reassurance from you this will help - even if you are in the land of nod while you do it...
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She said she slept 11 hours last night so I reckon she's had enough sleep (mum that is)

If she slept so well last night and this morning then maybe she doesn't need to sleep this afternoon

p.s jealous of the 11 hours
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Re: Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

I have a daughter who didn't nap and who didn't sleep more than 45mins at a go for the first 9 months. I feel your pain. After nine months and nearly going insane from a lack of sleep I bough the Ferber book and a few bottles of wine. I don't know that the Ferber book helped as much as the wine did but...YMMV. Kids are all different but they behave in ways that we allow them to behave. I have to say that after setting up a bedtime routine and giving her the tough love you're in bed and it's time to sleep attitude, she's been a regular in bed by 8.30 every night ever since. My sanity has yet to return, but at least she sleeps through the night most of the time.

I don't know if any other advice might help but...whatever works, a routine is always helpful, especially at that age. Bath, book and bed is a good one, whatever you try. Good luck. And the wine for you is always a good choice, too.
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She said she slept 11 hours last night so I reckon she's had enough sleep (mum that is)

If she slept so well last night and this morning then maybe she doesn't need to sleep this afternoon

p.s jealous of the 11 hours
Ach, I have my mum goggles on - see a thread containing the words "toddler" and "sleep" and assume exhausted parents...
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First thought: teeth - but you've already covered that.

Give up any hope/expectation of doing anything else, you'll have a chance to de-stress (about what you are not doing) and you'll feel better about spending some lovely 1:1 time with your toddler.
... then your husband will come home and ask why you didn't get X, Y, Z done...
Thanks Carlo R. Yes, I'm really enjoying my time with my girl. I do feel kinda lazy for not getting the mountains of other stuff (completely) done. The mountain just seems never ending

And, yes, that's exactly what my husband does!

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Hi Puddycat,

How old is your toddler?
I can imagine if she is used to snuggling with it at nap time then this might be what is distressing her.

Good luck and I hope people have some useful tips and tricks for you soon.
Thanks mimi1981. She's coming up 19 months old. She sleeps 11.5 - 12 hours through the night, without any problems. Lately she's been waking once or twice between 6 and 10pm (REM sleep phase where she dreams a lot?) We find her sitting or standing up so maybe she's been exploring in her dreams and wakes up disoriented?

Sleeping seems to be better now that blankie is back

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Just when you think you are doing really well - mastered teething, coping with tantrums quite well, your toddler throws you a curve ball. Toddler goes to bed a toddler and wakes up a newborn. Not eating, not sleeping, not teething so what is it???

Have been advised it could be the start of a young child's dreams and nightmares. And it will be your nightmare as well. Good luck. It will pass. The last two months have been hellish for us but I finally think we have our old toddler back. And now I am wondering what all the fuss was about. (though last week I still wanted to stick my head in the oven). Amazing what sleep and lack of it does to your mind. Hang in there...
Fortunately she still sleeps through the night well... Thanks for the heads-up though!

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With the way she is throwing tantrums, regardless of what I do at the moment, I feel inclined to do anything!

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I wouldn't worry unless it becomes a long term thing. And if it does, drop a nap.

But it does sound like teething to me. Which teeth, strangely I thought the canines were worse than the molars.......

I was frantic on Sunday night because, even though my nearly 3 year old doesn't have naps, my ex husband and his girlfriend put her down in the afternoon and as a result she was sitting in bed 'reading' to her bears / telling stories / playing with imaginary dinosaurs and monsters / re arranging furniture / picking plastic off a stool etc etc etc until midnight (at least that's when I fell asleep, she was probably at it longer) but the last two nights, straight to sleep like an angel.
It could be teething indeed. She's been drooling a lot again and sticking her fingers in her mouth/rubbing her jaw. Poor wee mite probably has a terrible headache.

Ah yes, the universal solution - stick the kid in bed, so they don't have to deal with it anymore .

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I agree with the teething, but it could be a number of things. You said toddler, so I'm guessing perhaps between age 1-3 years or a little younger? I know that my 2 year old has always had just 1 nap (mid day) and sleeps for 2 hours (if she wakes up because of something startling her...it's chaos the whole entire day through)...But she also sleeps 12 hours in the night and has only just started sleeping straight through the night in her own bed for the past 2 days (cross your fingers for more days to come)...

Reason why I've said all this is there are occasional times when she decides to test the boundaries of our normal routine. We read a book, we make sure all her animals that she request is in bed, but still she'll try, just as I'm trying to close the door to beg me to stay (or perhaps sleep in my bed). If I stick to my guns, she's realized that nothing comes out of the line pushing and she passes off to sleep. It's just a child trying to get reactions out of you, even though they don't understand how these issues really stress us out.

Take deep breaths and perhaps it's just a moment in time, just be careful not to 'give in' too much to their demands, once they find that loop hole, it's all down hill from there! - and best of luck, I know I feel your pain!
Yes, that does sound familiar. She's really pushing the boundries! I guess if she's got a headache/feels crappy, it's not surprising.

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She said she slept 11 hours last night so I reckon she's had enough sleep (mum that is)

If she slept so well last night and this morning then maybe she doesn't need to sleep this afternoon

p.s jealous of the 11 hours
I 'll go with one nap today (depending on its length and see how she goes. She sleeps through and then genuinely shows she's tired morning and afternoon. I heard that it could be that she's hungry/low blood sugar so I gave her a snack and drink, but it didn't help... I think it must be the above-mentioned 'phase' + teeth.

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I have a daughter who didn't nap and who didn't sleep more than 45mins at a go for the first 9 months. I feel your pain. After nine months and nearly going insane from a lack of sleep I bough the Ferber book and a few bottles of wine. I don't know that the Ferber book helped as much as the wine did but...YMMV. Kids are all different but they behave in ways that we allow them to behave. I have to say that after setting up a bedtime routine and giving her the tough love you're in bed and it's time to sleep attitude, she's been a regular in bed by 8.30 every night ever since. My sanity has yet to return, but at least she sleeps through the night most of the time.

I don't know if any other advice might help but...whatever works, a routine is always helpful, especially at that age. Bath, book and bed is a good one, whatever you try. Good luck. And the wine for you is always a good choice, too.
Thanks poptart. Glad your little one is on track now . We've always had a good routine and sleeping hasn't been a problem... until...

She's really grumpy this morning too . We got up and snuggled and had breakfast, drew pictures together. Now that I'm trying to 'work' she's really screaming and demanding. Then when I talk to her she just screams at me. Maybe I'll try a cuddle...

Thanks so much again to you all.
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Ah just wait till she grows up, she will scream at you while at the same time asking for money and to borrow the car whilst slamming the door to her room..something to look forward to
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If she's feeling a bit out of sorts and needs reassurance from you this will help - even if you are in the land of nod while you do it...
That is a dangerous path.
We did this with my daughter and then she refused to sleep in her bed for a long long time. Only my new partner could kick her out of my bed. I tried several tricks, advices, whatever, nothing helped.
Sounds rude but if I could do it again, I would never let her have the sense that she has got a place in mum's bed.
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Re: Toddler refusing to sleep [HELP!]

Take said child, climb into bed with a good book, let baby snoozle. Wiggle yourself out from underneath, put pillow on floor by side of bed and go do something useful. Alternatively, come onto internet forum...or stay in bed reading til she wakes.

Mine sleeps 8pm-5am and I'm lucky if he'll go down for a nap during the day....he will if I let him sleep in my bed. Night time is never a problem, goes to his own bed. Just will not sleep in it during the day...
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