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Old 01.07.2011, 16:09
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Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

So, the krippe my daughter (18months) goes to has a rule that for half days the children must be picked up by 11:30 at the latest (otherwise we have to pay for a full day and it is not allowed to pick children up between 11:30 and 13:00). No problems there, my work agreed to let me work 7:00-11:12 and then I pick her up.

My issue is that lunch seems to start around 11:00, and because my daughter only goes (and we pay for) half days, she doesn't get any lunch -it's supplied by the Krippe. When I pick her up she is often the only child not sitting at the table eating. Once a week there is another half day child who also isn't allowed lunch. Sometimes, depending on if it's the nice lady working or not, she is allowed some soup that the other kids get before the main meal but mostly not.

I don't care that they don't feed her, I'm happy to give her lunch at home. My problem is that she is being excluded from lunch. It's the Krippes rules that we pick them up by 11:30 so to me that should mean that's when lunch starts, so any children not staying for lunch don't have to watch all the other kids eating.

Am I being unreasonable? Should I make a point about this at the krippe? Any other suggestions?

I thought about giving her a lunch box so at least she could eat something, but I'd still have to remove her from the table before she was finished.
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Old 01.07.2011, 16:14
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Seems a little strange. In Krippes we are familiar with, the half day ends latest at 14:00 to allow the children to eat and have a sleep. Between 1300 and 1400 is a transition period when morning children leave and afternoon children arrive.
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

What is she doing when you come to pick her up and the others are eating? If she is playing happily by herself, maybe you don't need to be too concerned. Do you think she truly feels excluded when she is not put at the table? She may be very satisfied being left to play for a few minutes on her own, especially if there is no one else with whom she has to share toys during that time!
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Old 01.07.2011, 16:37
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What is she doing when you come to pick her up and the others are eating? If she is playing happily by herself, maybe you don't need to be too concerned. Do you think she truly feels excluded when she is not put at the table? She may be very satisfied being left to play for a few minutes on her own, especially if there is no one else with whom she has to share toys during that time!
It's about half and half, sometimes she is happy playing on her own, but other times she is obviously hungry and definitely unhappy that she isn't being fed. Like trying to climb up on the chairs at the table and reaching up for food from other kids plates.

One nice lady will sometimes sit in another room with her and play, usually when the other half day girl is there too. But often the krippe ladies are serving up/organising/eating their own lunch and our wee one is on her own.

Even when the nice lady takes her to the other room, we still have to walk past the dining area with the other kids on the way out and almost always she makes a run for the table on the way.

Here are their rules from their website (sorry in German):
Bring- / Holzeiten
Bis 9.00 Uhr müssen die Kinder in der Krippe sein.
11.00 - 11.30 Uhr
13.15 -- 13.45 Uhr
abholen ab 16.00 Uhr
Die angegebenen Zeiten müssen eingehalten werden! Die individuellen Bring- und Holzeiten, welche die Eltern angeben ebenfalls!
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Can you work 6:45-10:45 and pick her up 11am sharp so she does not have to be there through the 30min of others lunching?
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Can you work 6:45-10:45 and pick her up 11am sharp so she does not have to be there through the 30min of others lunching?
I would if I could! I'm lucky that they let me start at 7. Every other person in our team rotates on early (7:30) and late shifts (well 9:30 isn't that late really). The really stupid bit is the krippe is semi-attached to the hospital where I work and is supposed to be flexible for hospital shift workers -haha.

And typical Switzerland -my half day is 4hours 12minutes, don't ask me how they came up with that!
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Then I would explain to the staff and ask them to sit her at the table with others, and you provide an apple, compot, with some baby biscuit, something yummy but not too filling, just a little bite. Will they understand?
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It's about half and half, sometimes she is happy playing on her own, but other times she is obviously hungry and definitely unhappy that she isn't being fed. Like trying to climb up on the chairs at the table and reaching up for food from other kids plates.

One nice lady will sometimes sit in another room with her and play, usually when the other half day girl is there too. But often the krippe ladies are serving up/organising/eating their own lunch and our wee one is on her own.

Even when the nice lady takes her to the other room, we still have to walk past the dining area with the other kids on the way out and almost always she makes a run for the table on the way.

Here are their rules from their website (sorry in German):
Bring- / Holzeiten
Bis 9.00 Uhr müssen die Kinder in der Krippe sein.
11.00 - 11.30 Uhr
13.15 -- 13.45 Uhr
abholen ab 16.00 Uhr
Die angegebenen Zeiten müssen eingehalten werden! Die individuellen Bring- und Holzeiten, welche die Eltern angeben ebenfalls!
So they have the personnel to take the morning child(ren) into a different room when they serve lunch at 11:00, but they only do that when the other morning child is present along with yours? That doesn't seem right.

It would probably be easiest if you tried to be there earlier, as MusicChick indicated, avoiding the lunch table issue as well as the need to walk through the dining area when picking her up. If that doesn't work, could you speak to the staff to see if you could send a fully-packed lunchbox with her each day, letting her sit and finish her lunch while you wait a few minutes, if need be?
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Hi

I come from a childcare background and have worked in various settings, although this has been in the UK. I am not sure what your contract with them says and unfortunatly as I have only just recently arrived in Switzerland my German is limited so I am unable to translate what you have written, but in general terms lunch in day care is usually at 11.30am, this is also the case in Switzerland as I have visited several Nurseries since I arrived. Sometimes they do start to do the whole washing hands ect before this time but I see no reason why your daughter should be excluded from this. In my personal opinion I think this is poor practice to isolate a child away from the others, even if she is happy to play alone. It may well have something to do with how their half day times run, but again from my experience if they expect you to collect at 11.30am as lunch is not included they shouldnt then be providing lunch before this time and leaving your daughter out. Again in my opinion I would suggest having a conversation with them about this and perhaps they could consider reviewing their times?? If you are unhappy about it I would always mention it! Hope that helps!
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Old 01.07.2011, 17:18
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Thanks for you help everyone. I wanted to make sure I had a valid point and it wasn't normal practice before bringing it up with them at the krippe.
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

We've experienced this too in Zurich (city-run crèche). It seems to be something to do with the regulations, I never quite understood why.

We had two options: either pick up the child at 11am or keep him/her in Krippe for lunch and nap until 2pm. We chose the latter and it turned out quite well - ours eats pretty much everything now.
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We've experienced this too in Zurich (city-run crèche). It seems to be something to do with the regulations, I never quite understood why.

We had two options: either pick up the child at 11am or keep him/her in Krippe for lunch and nap until 2pm. We chose the latter and it turned out quite well - ours eats pretty much everything now.

Did the keep them in till 2pm option cost more or did it still count as a half day? We would be charged a whole day for that which makes it too expensive to send her there in the first place.
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

It was half a day - but, including lunch until 2pm - or excluding lunch until, as you are experiencing to 11.30am. But they start eating at 11.15. It's not fun to watch your toddler eat off the floor, while the others are seated. We changed to half day with lunch quite quickly after that.

Is your crèche city-run?
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Is your crèche city-run?
I'm not sure. It's in Winterthur and is semi-attached to the hospital where I work. It would suit me (and my boss) better if I could work a couple of hours later to cover for lunch at work eg 10:00-14:12, but the Krippe won't allow it. I really can't believe how inflexible they are. It seems the can basically do what they like as there is enough demand that there is always someone waiting to take your place.
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Are there actually ore staff on duty, on the days that the NIce Lady takes your child and plays with her? If the staff to child ratios are the same on the other days, then I would suggest that someone is optig to not bother to spend tie with your child on those other days.

Secondly, you are paying for a service. I would complain until I was getting quality service for my child. If the centre is supposed to be providing flexicare for staf where you work, then work at gettig them to do that. Get involved. You are the parent and the paying customer
and you have that right.

Don't ask if it is "possible" for you to pack something for your child to eat. Yes, it is possible. To avoid a "no" as the answer, ask instead whether they are able to heat up the food you provide, or would they prefer that you pack a sandwhich, fruit etc.

Best of luck.
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

I looked at the website of your Kinderkrippe (assuming I got the right one, with the moon in the logo).

On their website, there is an option "75 % Halbtag mit Mittagessen", so you should be able to let your kid eat there. It would cost more than a half-day, which makes sense as they provide about 2 additional hours of care plus the food. It's still less than a whole day.

As to why your work half-day is 4 hours and 12 minutes, it's easy. 42 hours is the regular work week, so it's 2520 minutes. Divide that by 10 for a half-day gives you 252 minutes, so 4 hours and 12 minutes.
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As to why your work half-day is 4 hours and 12 minutes, it's easy. 42 hours is the regular work week, so it's 2520 minutes. Divide that by 10 for a half-day gives you 252 minutes, so 4 hours and 12 minutes.
I love mathematicians. I had been thinking that it must be that the employer presumed that one would take a coffee break during that half day, so add on an extra 12 minutes to make up for that. So, is a 42 hr week the norm in Switzerland? Not a 40hr one? No wonder it is so difficult for parents to juggle childcare and a career. I think it is time that a few ( thousand) parents went on strike, to demand a more balanced work commitment, that leaves time to actually have a balanced life.
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On their website, there is an option "75 % Halbtag mit Mittagessen", so you should be able to let your kid eat there. It would cost more than a half-day, which makes sense as they provide about 2 additional hours of care plus the food. It's still less than a whole day.
Yip, that's the right one. I didn't realise they allowed a 3/4 day too. Anyway, that's not the point. I don't want to (and can't afford) to leave her there longer. I want them to either include my daughter in lunch (I'll talk to the on Monday about me providing some snacks for her to eat there) or not to exclude her and have all the other kids eat in front of her, by starting lunch at 11:30 when the half day children are gone.
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Yip, that's the right one. I didn't realise they allowed a 3/4 day too. Anyway, that's not the point. I don't want to (and can't afford) to leave her there longer. I want them to either include my daughter in lunch (I'll talk to the on Monday about me providing some snacks for her to eat there) or not to exclude her and have all the other kids eat in front of her, by starting lunch at 11:30 when the half day children are gone.
I think this is a perfectly reasonable request and, quite frankly, as child-caring people I am a little surprised that they do this. It seems to me almost a kind of punishment.

Kids are only usually excluded from any activity if they have been misbehaving (or they are sick) so I hope your little girl isn't getting the wrong message.

You could test their flexibility by asking them if you could just pay for a lunch on those days you need it.
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Re: Lunchtime at Kinderkrippe

Looking at the website, I see they have put the kids into three groups (plus a baby group). You might ask if all the groups eat at the same time (I doubt it, probably the timing of lunch is due to succession of the groups) and if not have your daughter put into a group eating a bit later.

I think you really just need to talk to the management of the place, as I read it the Kinderkrippe was created specifically to suit the schedules of hospital employees.
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