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Old 11.07.2011, 12:08
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

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Your antibiotics would have effectively fought bacteriological meningitis too and made you feel in top shape. Maybe the internet was right and your doctor was wrong?

The problem with doctors is that the level of care varies. You can get good doctors who are super thorough and do a lot of tests and send things away to the lab and get real results. Others just give you 5 minutes and made a best-guess and write a prescription and send you on your way. Also some doctors, especially older ones, don't keep up to date with the latest journals etc so if you combine the two you're getting pretty useless treatment a lot of the time. Also, no such thing as altruism - doctors get paid for their time so I'm sure they'd like you to visit all the time and discard the internet and any other source.
Some yes. This is why I said eariler that internet can be good to, but as long as you use common sense. I said also that I found out about my thyroidism disease because of internet and not doctors. The difference is that my doctor listened to me and passed all tests and found out I was right.

I think it is not cleaver to put all your faith in one doctor with blind eyes as it is not cleaver to put all your faith on internet. A combination of both will make you a more educated person on your own medical problems.

But again, for both doctors and internet pages, you have to search for good ones.
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Old 11.07.2011, 12:17
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

Doctors won't tell you some stuff, as I was told before, to not make you worried. I don't think information is always the priority here. People want somebody else making decisions for them. I appreciate info as opposed to a doc who makes the choices, without much explanation, for me. I also consider that slightly arrogant.

I had a major sinusitis and didn't know, doc didn't want to see me just kept repeating I was stressed and the headaches were from that. It was quite handy to log on at a specific forum, ask around, ask at home as well, and get back to the doc. He still wouldn't waste time seeing me, faxed a nonspecific ATBs to my local pharmacy. I don't really know how good of trust that leaves me with. It took months to have my sinuses fixed, because the treatment was late.

So, we say in Czech, trust them but still check. The only person who pays for poor diagnosis is the patient.
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Old 11.07.2011, 12:26
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

I have found medical websites brilliant but only after diagnosis by a Dr. About 18 months ago I was diagnosed with a rare presentation of a not so unusual condition that my own Dr had never seen before. He was pretty clueless about how to treat me so I ended up going to web sites with forums and found other people with the same condition. I learned a lot more from those people than I could have from my GP
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Old 11.07.2011, 14:39
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So I tried it.

I went on internet and made a research on the symptoms I had last week.

I was very sick with high fever (40 degrees) for 3-4 days, followed by intense migraines for few days. I had pain in my spinal too.

Internet results: Meningitis

Doctor's results: Throat infection.

Doctor 1 : 0 Internet

Antibiotics later: Feeling Top Shape!
My wife had a severe headache. We thought it was serious.

Doctor said: Migraine. He prescribed paracetamol.

Next day she was in hospital with meningitis (I was up watching her most of the night and luckily was awake when she had a seizure).

Even the ambulance crew politely suggested I was wasting their time until I pointed out a few symptoms that they had neglected to check for. They then apologized and took her in.

What was your point, Nil?
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Old 11.07.2011, 14:42
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What was your point, Nil?
That we all need to phone you directly if we have a medical emergency! What's your number?
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Old 11.07.2011, 14:45
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My wife had a severe headache. We thought it was serious.

Doctor said: Migraine. He prescribed paracetamol.

Next day she was in hospital with meningitis (I was up watching her most of the night and luckily was awake when she had a seizure).

Even the ambulance crew politely suggested I was wasting their time until I pointed out a few symptoms that they had neglected to check for. They then apologized and took her in.

What was your point, Nil?
I had headaches for a week about 7 years ago, with intermittent vomiting. Internet said anything from migraine, to encepahilitis to meningitis, so inconclusive. Blood work, MRI, CT and EEG aslo proved inconclusive. Finally went after a week or so (after being prayed over and acupuncture, funnily enough, but it was on the way out anyway). Spoke to a virologist friend and he said it was most likely a low-grade encephalitis, probably not picked up on the bloods.
Therefore: Internet 0, doctor 0, expert friend 0.5
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Old 11.07.2011, 14:50
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

I think one cannot really say, listen to the docs only, online help is the best, your family only, or your friends. Smart creatures will stay savy, synthesizing whatever info they have on hand, filtering, and going by guts.
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I would like to make a disclaimer, in my life as a physician and researcher I have seen excellent doctors but I have also seen very bad ones. I know which ones are the good ones by far, you can smell them really .
I once had trigeminal neuralgia, for those who do not know what that is, the pain is worse than that of labour (or so Ive been told) the doctors came to my house, game a neurological exam, I had no dilated pupila, al reflexes well, no signs of infection : diagnosis: tirgeminal neuralgia due to stress...they were right. But I had a great doctor giving me the physical, with a curved lamp to see changes in the optic nerve and rule out other possiblities.
When I was doing my social service year, I had a 19 year old kid present with a rash that had lasted 3 days I made a diagnosis and proceeded to give him antibiotics, he had a skin infection. Silly kid forgot to tell me (even after I asked) he had not eaten anything and had a history of gastric ulcer, then he started vomiting...for me it was obvious, rupture of the stomach...I took him in the ambulance to the hospital, talked to the attending doctor and they diagnosed appendicitis...My boss calls me and tells me how I had missed such a diagnosis, I told him that that was no appendicitis, he said but they just called me to say so, I said well they'll call you back soon enough...THree hours later they called, appendiz was good, it was a ruptured ulcer...I was right.
I am not saying I never make mistakes but a good doctor follows his instinct based on a strong education, it is sad when doctors are bored by routine and just neglect patients, I admire physicians who after years of practicing still attend congresses and give excellent physical examinations which are always the basis for a good diagnosis.

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Old 11.07.2011, 15:44
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

Growing up with them, I think a good doc has a healthy distance from only clinical approach, follows instincts, dares to differ, is humanitarian and has a professional pride, too. And intelligence . And humility, hahaha. I admire professionals who never quit learning, whatever they do.

Getting a second opinion is not a sign of disrespect to them. It's more clients wanting to be educated, no matter how they choose to go about it and where and how they brainstorm. (though, don't get me started on Bachs essences and pharmacists).

It's nice when people share stories from their career, gives perspective to what their daily bread entails, thanks for that.
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Quite self opinionated aren't we, and if you really cared you'd sort out the problems with healthcare in Peru rather than coming here and telling us that we are all wrong in Switzerland! Sorry Amanda you come over to me as someone who really thinks she is so clever. but please don't say it I know you don't care!
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best argument ever. how did i manage to miss this thread!
Hey dude dont make me groan you, after all I am an opinionated Twat that should have stayed in Swasiland
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Hey dude dont make me groan you, after all I am an opinionated Twat that should have stayed in Swasiland

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Peru, Swasiland...who cares
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Peru, Swasiland...who cares
After all, a couple of million years ago, Peru and Swasiland where in fact in the same continent, and even almost neighbours (if only pre-Brazil and pre-South Africa would get out of the way...)
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After all, a couple of million years ago, Peru and Swasiland where in fact in the same continent, and even almost neighbours (if only pre-Brazil and pre-South Africa would get out of the way...)
The Pangea, I know
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That we all need to phone you directly if we have a medical emergency! What's your number?
I think it's easier to be objective with symptoms with someone else - especially someone you know.

For instance, I really know the times when my wife doesn't have a headache when she says she has one
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I think it's easier to be objective with symptoms with someone else - especially someone you know.

For instance, I really know the times when my wife doesn't have a headache when she says she has one
I hope you don't tell her that you know...

I think one can be objective when there are zero alterior motives. Which brings us nicely back on topic, doesn't it.
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I wish angie would stop acting like such a know it all
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I think one can be objective when there are zero altrerior motives.
You mean never???

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I wish angie would stop acting like such a know it all
Then stop paging me about you gas problems

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The Pangea, I know
Gondwanaland. It's why there are/were flightless birds in the Southern Hemisphere.

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