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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

I'm not a medical professional and have never pretended to be one.

I think a good rule of thumb to follow on this forum is that if the advice you give is NOT going to make the condition worse, then go ahead (sometimes the best advice is re-assurance and sometimes that is sufficient).

For example, if someone on here posted that they were with their father and they thought he was having a heart attack, I would, without hesitation, post the following:

1. Call for an ambulance.
2. Give your father an aspirin to chew.

Now we al know that aspirins can cause stomach problems but that is the least of your worries in a suspected heart attack case and anyway, you'll tell the doctors that anyway when you get to hospital.
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I agree Tom, hence the title common sense...
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I'm not a medical professional and have never pretended to be one.

I think a good rule of thumb to follow on this forum is that if the advice you give is NOT going to make the condition worse, then go ahead (sometimes the best advice is re-assurance and sometimes that is sufficient).

For example, if someone on here posted that they were with their father and they thought he was having a heart attack, I would, without hesitation, post the following:

1. Call for an ambulance.
2. Give your father an aspirin to chew.

Now we al know that aspirins can cause stomach problems but that is the least of your worries in a suspected heart attack case and anyway, you'll tell the doctors that anyway when you get to hospital.
Actually, sorry for being pedantic but some people, like me, are highly allergic to asprin. If the heart attack didnt kill me, the aspirin probably might.

PS: but I agree - you do give very sound and "common-sensical" advice Tom (sans your stand on fast food )
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Oh good. I really don't like pointing fingers, but if I feel like it, I know where to point!

Back OT, sort of...

I try to remember that most of the advice here is anecdotal, and based on very small samples (often of 1). That goes for what I write too.

I don't appreciate nasty, belittling or condescending comments about others' experiences, but it's often perception. I try to figure out if a poster has a particular axe to grind or agenda. On the other hand, it's often not worth it, it's hard not to get defensive sometimes and Mother Theresa is dead.

I'm trying to remember what people say about common sense - it's rarely common and when it is, there's no sense to it?

There is a lot of useful info on the Internet, and there is a lot of serious crap. I guess we just have to put on our boots and wade......
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Old 06.07.2011, 12:35
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I agree Tom, hence the title common sense...
well then there you go, if people haven't got common sense enough then it's their look out
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

I found out I had thyroidism problem because of my research on internet, not because of doctors. They never cared to look enough deep into the problem and always just tried to patch the problem.

When I finally put my finger on the problem, I spoke about it to my doctor who ran all the proper tests on me to find out that I have Hashimoto disease.

Thanks to the internet.
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Actually, sorry for being pedantic but some people, like me, are highly allergic to asprin. If the heart attack didnt kill me, the aspirin probably might.
But you'd be on your way to hospital anyway.

And, if you could chew aspirin, you could probably also speak as well and say you were allergic to it.

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PS: but I agree - you do give very sound and "common-sensical" advice Tom (sans your stand on fast food )
Thanks but you ought to take heed of the Fast-food advice as well

Off-topic: Actually, I love fast food - especially Asian street food. I just can stand the manufactured food-substitutes full of fat and sugar masquerading as food.
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I found out I had thyroidism problem because of my research on internet, not because of doctors. They never cared to look enough deep into the problem and always just tried to patch the problem.

When I finally put my finger on the problem, I spoke about it to my doctor who ran all the proper tests on me to find out that I have Hashimoto disease.

Thanks to the internet.
Hashimoto, like MS, is often misdiagnosed for many years. Once the proper tests are done, the case is pretta clear, but thanks to the Internets there are many people who believe they have Hashimoto who actually don't. They go on doctors nerves by demanding all sorts of tests that don't do anything but raise the expenses.
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Thanks to the internet.
I found out I was lactose intolerant at the age of 22, also because of the all mighty internet.

I actually thought the burning stomach, urge to vomit, impossibility to digest milky potato purée and the hatred I had to my mother's milk (I went from breast feeding to bottle formula feeding way too early) was normal.

After putting 1+1 together, talked to the doctor who finally started thinking maybe... just maybe... it wasn't a psychological problem against cow juice.

Internet, ER and Doctor House are the net-hypochondriac best friend, but I actually think common sense digestion of information on the net is actually very helpful against dogmatic doctors who always think it’s all in our heads…





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Old 06.07.2011, 14:08
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Oh don't hide behind smilies and that passive-aggressive attitude of yours, admit what you said in that you will get more respect... I personally find people who throw a rock and then hide the hand particularly spiteful and usually sad little people.
I think this is often misread, actually...I don't have a particular gripe with folks who advise here, since I trust my own ways to pick weed from some helpful data, or commons sense (that gels with mine) and I do think most people do the same. I am glad lots of people speak their mind here, professionals, hippies or those who are just killing time, that's great. Why not. I woudn't want people to stay off sharing their humble experiences afraid of being chewed to shreads here..

But I do think attitudes get misinterpreted far too often, what is seen as arrogance or passive aggressivity is actually often a different ways to communicate. And that is far more common than we realize. Speaking English does not mean we are the same culture. Working in the international environment does not mean we read internet posts the same ways...so, I'd say, instead of saying take the internet advise with a grain of salt (since I really think most do), I'd say, cut those who are not from predominant cultures here slack for meaning things differently than it is often read here.

Ok, I need my info on enzymes missing after birth/nursing... But don't get in troubles at work..
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So far I have only found annecdotal evidence but working on it MC
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

It seems to be hereditory, but hormonal works often are, aren't they..Ta!

Smell seems to be affected as well, I do not think developing cataracts in both eyes would be related, either, but it seems synchronized, time wise.

You're gem. Anecdotal is interesting, too. I am not a big fan of stats, me.
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Ok, I need my info on enzymes missing after birth/nursing... But don't get in troubles at work..

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Old 06.07.2011, 14:47
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

Of course, of course....You know what I meant

You better read up so you don't get surprised you give your future wife a sip of wine after she delivers (baby) and you find her under the table Cmon.

It only seems to be wine, the most. Don't get it.
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

I, personally, am very grateful that Angela posts on EF. I search for her opinion on medical threads.
Doctors have 9 years of training. It's not nothing.

If my car is broken, I wish to hear from a mechanic

Of course other advice is appreciated, but I take it as an opinion simply.
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

We should be eternally grateful for any professional wanting to share stuff here with us. Be it medical threads or others. There is a lot of wisdom in our archives, the devotion is incredible.

People shouldn't be flamed if opinions differ from ours though. It's easy to ignore...or give a imaginary face palm like I do with some opinions, homeopathy, woodoo magic, etc. Why flame...

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We should be eternally grateful for any professional wanting to share stuff here with us. Be it medical threads or others. There is a lot of wisdom in our archives, the devotion is incredible.

People shouldn't be flamed if opinions differ from ours though. It's easy to ignore...or give a imaginary face palm like I do with some opinions, homeopathy, woodoo magic, etc. Why flame...
Exactly. I don't think anyone is saying Angela or any other expert should not share their expertise here for free. On the contrary, they are most welcome to do so. The flipside is, some can be incompetent/dubious experts too, who may be using internet to assuage their own insecurities, which is also fine because people take things with a pinch of salt, more so on an internet forum such as this. Everyone has their own ways to separate the grain from the chaff.

The point of this thread (as I understood the OP) is that non-doctors should not be offering opinions; that is what I disagree with. This is not a medical students forum where we debate based on arcane medical literature; this is just an expat forum where we come for general tips and sounding board from friends/acquaintances.

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I don't have a particular gripe with folks who advise here, since I trust my own ways to pick weed from some helpful data, or commons sense (that gels with mine) and I do think most people do the same. I am glad lots of people speak their mind here, professionals, hippies or those who are just killing time, that's great. Why not. I woudn't want people to stay off sharing their humble experiences afraid of being chewed to shreds here..
Well said!
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Why flame...
There is always a bottom line, when people missinform...One thing is an opinion another one coming with ideas and hidden agendas, for me it is easy to see but not to other more gullible members, it is not wrong to worry about our fellow EFers right?
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Re: Searching for Medical Advice in the EF: Common sense

I know, honestly, in one particular case (which we won't mention but which I think inspired this thread), I see the agenda too. And have made my opinion clear, I think 2yr ago about this without any particular drama, if I remember well.

I also think misinforming is bad. But I am not sure about the reaction. If saying I have different oppion, stats, education, experience because I work with this might be enough, or, you are quack, go away, there is no place for this here would be some kind of modern version of witch hunt. I don't like witch hunts, and in this particular case, I agree with all the critics, surely do, but the way we push is somewhat counter productive, since it might create more popularity for "not understood, ill treated, genious, miraculous scientist"...I do agree with sentiments of over medicated world, with the push to look for alternatives, so I like to read diverse opinions, and check them with my medical people and specialists later..

So in terms of misinforming, I think it clears confusion up with we keep the debate and share facts rather than stomp feet and shush people away, since then there is no fact sharing. Just a thought, not really on my mind so much, to be honest, I don't want to sounds too envolved or critical..
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