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TonyBhoy 12.07.2011 14:50

Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
My wife bought a twin pack of early tests from the pharmacy 2 days ago. She did one in the evening we bought is and the extra line came up very very faint. Apparently this still means positive.

She then took the second one in the morning and the line came up very clearly positive.

Then we bought a digital one yesterday which she used today which should have told her approx which week she is in, it came up negative!!

The first 2 were a slightly cheaper version, Forlan or something was the brand, but the pharmasist assured us its just the same as the clear blue but a cheaper version. Still guaranteed a 99% accuracy.

The digital one was a clear blue, which is also 99%.

If the cheaper one is a 1 in 100 chance for 1 test being wrong, then the chance of 2 in a row being wrong would be 1 in 10000!

Have any other women had this problem? Which do you think is correct? We would really like to know but she cant get an gyno appointment till saturday, getting impatient :confused:

Guest 12.07.2011 14:58

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
The best way of doing the exam is early in the morning as soon as you wake up, maybe that could be the reason? Still, I'd have a blood test done :msngrin:

Nickers 12.07.2011 15:00

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
I am lead to believe a line is a line and that a pregnancy test can give a false negative but never a false positive

So maybe congratulations are in order?

:)

Guest 12.07.2011 15:00

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
How long is it since she should have had her period? It might be a bit soon but I echo Angela's advice - the morning is the best time especially if it's very very early in the pregnancy (it actually says that on the pack).

nlee24 12.07.2011 15:02

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
I haven't heard from my pregger friends about having a positive test then a negative test. False positives do happen, but rare I think. Hmm... take another test. Follow the instructions and take one more. If she's had two positives, I'm thinking she's pregnant. FYI, it's best to test in the morning with the first morning pee. The pregnancy hormone is more potent.

Hope you get some happy news. :)

thebrynster 12.07.2011 15:02

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Not an expert here, but I have heard that it is very unlikely that a home pregnancy test would give you a false positive, but they often will show a false negative. In other words, you probably put a baby in her. :D

TonyBhoy 12.07.2011 15:04

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
it was only the first test which was done in the evening, thats why we didnt really take it seriously. I heard that they cant give false positives too, but we are hoping so much that we are paranoid that its a neg.
She will get the blood test on saturday but the waiting will kill us, its like a 5 year old waiting for xmas day.

maybe we will just pick up another couple of tests tonight and hopefully the law of averages will give us the answer.

She would be due her period in the next 4 days, her last period was very short which wasnt normal, she may already have had been pregnant then

saharanz 12.07.2011 15:05

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
There is also something referred to as a chemical pregnancy which may have happened.
It's where conception takes place but implantation doesn't. This can result in a small amount of the Hcg hormone being produced -enough for a faint positive pregnancy test but as the pregnancy does not take, this hormone drops off quickly - thus resulting in a subsequent negative test.

As far as I know, true false positives, where there is really absolutely no Hcg are very very rare/impossible.

I would wait a couple of days, take another test to know for sure. If she's pregnant, it will be clear as the hormones increase exponentially.

Found a link: http://www.chemicalpregnancy.org/

Mud 12.07.2011 15:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thebrynster (Post 1261396)
Not an expert here, but I have heard that it is very unlikely that a home pregnancy test would give you a false positive, but they often will show a false negative. In other words, you probably put a baby in her. :D

Sounds like it. We pooled together and got you a T-Shart.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...sonthemama.jpg


(Congratulations if it really is positive!)

MathNut 12.07.2011 15:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 1261357)
If the cheaper one is a 1 in 100 chance for 1 test being wrong, then the chance of 2 in a row being wrong would be 1 in 10000!

Have any other women had this problem? Which do you think is correct? We would really like to know but she cant get an gyno appointment till saturday, getting impatient :confused:

Unless the "2 in a row" were manufactured together, shipped together, stored together before they were finally sold together. ;) Depending what the hypothetical problem is, it could easily could have affected both.

And anyway you know one of these three tests was wrong - so you are already in that 1:100 territory.

I'd say wait until Saturday, and in the meantime try to persuade yourselves it is negative. Fingers crossed that you will be pleasantly surprised!


(The drop-in clinic at the Zurich train station doesn't do blood tests, does it? Your insurance wouldn't pay, but it might be cheaper than running round buying all these pregnancy tests from different pharmacies...)

Nickers 12.07.2011 15:07

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
You are testing very early so its quite normal for some tests to not show a positive

I would keep testing each day and the line should get stronger and stronger each day (but make sure its the morning as others have mentioned)

I know how hard the waiting is and I know haw hard it is to test early but testing early results in what you are experiencing now (nerves and uncertainty)

Good luck

MusicChick 12.07.2011 15:07

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Congrats. I think. Unless something gave false positive reading, meds or illness.

I think the regular pee sticks would read better, but I am no expert. Mechanically, faint line is a faint line, so is the definitely positive line. The digital might have something broken in reading the tests, there is an extra transfer of info which could have been bad.

Pick up another test, just to be sure, and if she has missed one day of her period, those morning pee stick tests should be very accurate.

The digital reading might have been a fluke.

(I didn't buy the tests here. At home it is exactly 13fr cheaper).

Actually, I had a posivite one, then neg, then pos, because they each had a different sensitivity. It didn't matter what part of the day, either, for me. But how sensitive the tests were. I think they only sell the tests with the same sensitivity here. I found it, 25mlU/ml tested more acurrately than tests I had with 45 mlU/ml.

It should be on the test packaging.

poptart 12.07.2011 15:08

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If you got two positives, no matter the negative, chances are nearly overwhelmingly good that you're about to be a dad. :) Mazeltov!

The pee stick tests these days are really accurate and sensitive.

Nickers 12.07.2011 15:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saharanz (Post 1261408)
There is also something referred to as a chemical pregnancy which may have happened.
It's where conception takes place but implantation doesn't. This can result in a small amount of the Hcg hormone being produced -enough for a faint positive pregnancy test but as the pregnancy does not take, this hormone drops off quickly - thus resulting in a subsequent negative test.

I would wait a couple for days, take another test to know for sure. if she's pregnant, it will be clear as the hormones increase exponentially.

I wanted to mention this too but thought it might be too negative...

Many women never even know they have had a chemical as most would never test this early and therefore wouldn't know they had any HCG in their system'

I hope this is not the case for you

Guest 12.07.2011 15:11

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Ok I found this, not very conclusive sorry..
Diagnostic Efficiency of Home Pregnancy Test Kits
A Meta-analysis


Lori A. Bastian, MD, MPH; Kavita Nanda, MD, MHS; Vic Hasselblad, PhD; David L. Simel, MD, MHS
Arch Fam Med. 1998;7:465-469

Objective To assess the diagnostic efficiency of home pregnancy test (HPT) kits.

Data Sources A literature search of English-language studies was performed with MEDLINE and a review of bibliographies.
Study Selection Studies were included if HPT kits were compared with a criterion standard (laboratory testing), if they used appropriate controls, and if data were available to determine sensitivity and specificity.
Data Extraction Two investigators independently extracted data, and disagreement was resolved by consensus. Sensitivity, specificity, and an effectiveness score (a measure of the discriminatory power of the test, with higher scores implying greater effectiveness) were calculated.
Data Synthesis Five studies evaluating 16 HPT kits met the inclusion criteria. The range of sensitivities for HPT kits was 0.52 to 1.0. In studies where urine samples obtained by the investigators were tested by volunteers, sensitivity was 0.91 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.84-0.96). However, the sensitivity was less in studies where subjects were actual patients who performed the test on their own urine samples (sensitivity, 0.75 [95% CI, 0.64-0.85]). The test effectiveness score was 2.75 (95% CI, 2.3-3.2) for studies where subjects were volunteers but deteriorated to 0.82 (95% CI, 0.4-1.2) for studies with actual patients.
Conclusions The diagnostic efficiency of HPT kits is greatly affected by characteristics of the users. Despite the popularity of these kits, the relatively low effectiveness scores of these kits when used by actual patients are of concern. We suggest that manufacturers of HPT kits publish results of trials in actual patients before marketing them to the general public.

ullainga 12.07.2011 15:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 1261401)
She would be due her period in the next 4 days

the digital one is not that sensitive and you can test only up to 4 days early and even then, according to the information leaflet of Clearblue digital, only "55% of pregnant women received a ‘Pregnant' result 4 days early". So it's most likely false negative, too early to test with the digital one.

Congrats!

swissmama 12.07.2011 15:20

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As someone else mentioned, you may be better off just going to the Permanence at Basel main station to see a doc. May not be covered by your insurance, but they could sort you out with a quick blood test and put you out of your guessing agony in 5 mins.
Keeping fingers crossed it's a go

TonyBhoy 12.07.2011 15:20

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ullainga (Post 1261433)
the digital one is not that sensitive and you can test only up to 4 days early and even then only "55% of pregnant women received a ‘Pregnant' result 4 days early". So it's most likely false negative, too early to test with the digital one.

Congrats!

Thats some great information! hope its correct

saharanz 12.07.2011 15:21

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 1261427)
I wanted to mention this too but thought it might be too negative...

Many women never even know they have had a chemical as most would never test this early and therefore wouldn't know they had any HCG in their system'

I hope this is not the case for you

Yeah, I thought twice before posting it, but then figured, it was better to be pleasantly surprised if the next test came up positive than thinking all was well, must just have been a dud test, then getting another negative. At least there is a logical explanation if the next one is negative.

Fingers crossed then next one is positive though of course!

TonyBhoy 12.07.2011 15:25

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swissmama (Post 1261448)
As someone else mentioned, you may be better off just going to the Permanence at Basel main station to see a doc. May not be covered by your insurance, but they could sort you out with a quick blood test and put you out of your guessing agony in 5 mins.
Keeping fingers crossed it's a go

I just contacted permanance zurich, they said they dont do blood tests for pregnancy :(

they gave me a contact called medica in zurich, heading there shortly, will let you all know how it goes, fingers crossed for us !!!!

saharanz 12.07.2011 15:29

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 1261463)
I just contacted permanance zurich, they said they dont do blood tests for pregnancy :(

they gave me a contact called medica in zurich, heading there shortly, will let you all know how it goes, fingers crossed for us !!!!


Pregnancy blood tests don't seem to be the done thing here. My Dr. was happy enough with me saying I had a positive test, and my first appointment both times was the 8 week ultrasound. After the first ultrasound, I asked aren't you going to give me an HCG blood test and she said, well, we just saw the heartbeats so I'm pretty sure you're pregnant!

Nickers 12.07.2011 16:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saharanz (Post 1261471)
Pregnancy blood tests don't seem to be the done thing here. My Dr. was happy enough with me saying I had a positive test, and my first appointment both times was the 8 week ultrasound. After the first ultrasound, I asked aren't you going to give me an HCG blood test and she said, well, we just saw the heartbeats so I'm pretty sure you're pregnant!

I had several blood tests over a few days but then I was already in hospital anyway with a pregnancy related condition.

I only have experience with fertility clinics which i know definitely do pregnancy blood tests - but I suppose for an easy natural conception pregnancy then a simple pee stick should be OK as most people don't usually pee on them until they're maybe a few days to a week late by which point a positive IS a positive

Guest 12.07.2011 16:14

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Yep Nicky I have the same experience as you, they checked my blood even 1-2 days before my period would be scheduled to come...

Helm 12.07.2011 16:43

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This is kinda exciting... I hope she does have a nice bun in the oven :D

*is waiting (fingers crossed) to throw congratulations confetti*

transatlantic 12.07.2011 16:52

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Clear blue here seems to be pretty awful. Not to mention EXPENSIVE!! :mad: Last month I wasn't feeling very good, and so I took one, and it gave me HALF a positive line. Obviously it was false, but it had me up in the air for the next few days. From what I have heard the cheap ones are not only more effective, but just that: cheaper. Good luck, and it seems like even if they don't do blood tests, they find out for you. :p;) Hang in there. I know waiting is NOT fun!

tearley 12.07.2011 17:03

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
May I recommend the "Maybe Baby?" line of home pregnancy kits found throughout Switzerland on train platform vending machines?


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_31Rjv8SZo8...maybe+baby.jpg
(Jokes aside, keeping my fingers crossed for you guys.)

Guest 12.07.2011 17:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by transatlantic (Post 1261693)
it gave me HALF a positive line.

WTF??? And I used clearblue! It is very freaking expensive here! (like everything)

SwissAstrid 12.07.2011 17:24

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Pregnancy hormones will double every 24-48 hours when pregnant, so if your wife tests tomorrow morning and thursday and friday and she is indeed pregnant you will see a thicker/darker line every day. Although I totally understand the anxiety the best thing to do is wait for the day her period would normally start and test with the digital one.

Good luck!!!!

CH_Me 12.07.2011 17:28

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I found the ones you get in Migros more accurate than clearblue. I only got a faint pink smudge on a Clearblue one and the same day showed a full line on the Migros one.

transatlantic 12.07.2011 18:33

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Angela-74 (Post 1261745)
WTF??? And I used clearblue! It is very freaking expensive here! (like everything)

Exactly! I know when my husband and I start ttc in the future I will be making a big haul from the US... haha :)

MusicChick 12.07.2011 18:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by transatlantic (Post 1261854)
Exactly! I know when my husband and I start ttc in the future I will be making a big haul from the US... haha :)

Uhm, yeah. I did. Since the tests are accurate and 2fr each. And you should see the cashier's look on her face, looking at the pile in the basket...she couldn't hold it in and "what are you guys planning to do" followed :D...doh.

stephanienie 12.07.2011 18:49

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I would say congrats to the couple...I myself have used up more than a dozen pregnancy tests in 3 months here. I used 3 brands although none of the expensive ones..i dont believe theres a big difference in the accuracy. Even the cheaper ones are really sensitive and i got 4 (out of 4) positives a week before my missed period. The difficult part about testing early is (as mentioned) if its just a chemical pregnancy which would have been better if you didnt know about it. The loss would be heartbreaking.

saharanz 12.07.2011 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1261859)
Uhm, yeah. I did. Since the tests are accurate and 2fr each. And you should see the cashier's look on her face, looking at the pile in the basket...she couldn't hold it in and "what are you guys planning to do" followed :D...doh.

You can get them on Ricardo too. Bit of a hassle but way way cheaper. I can't get over how much they charge for them here.

TonyBhoy 12.07.2011 18:54

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
thats us back from medica in zurich now, the test results will be with us tomorrow morning at the latest so another sleepless night it seems......

MusicChick 12.07.2011 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by saharanz (Post 1261874)
You can get them on Ricardo too. Bit of a hassle but way way cheaper. I can't get over how much they charge for them here.

I mean, if two grown ups decide to breed, ok with me, they probably count on the horrendous tax. But if teen kids make a mess and need to test asap, the 15fr price tag in the vending machine gets ugly, or poor students at uni? They should offer a super cheap ones, as they do at home, don't look so nice but stressed out young folks could care less, couldn't they..

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 1261877)
thats us back from medica in zurich now, the test results will be with us tomorrow morning at the latest so another sleepless night it seems......

Don't sleep, have some fun...:D You know, secure it.

Crossing fingers for you.

Find the time 12.07.2011 19:11

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Well, how about another test, not chemical. How does your wife feel? there are other symptoms to being pregnant - sore boobs is a common one.

I knew I was pregnant, did a test, it came up negative, my husband tried to tell me not to be sad, but I could really feel I was pregnant. Sure enough I was - with twins! Actually at that stage it was triplets (but I lost one early on). So sometimes you can know before the test can predict it.

Good luck!

saharanz 12.07.2011 19:16

Re: Pregnancy test accurancy???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MusicChick (Post 1261878)
I mean, if two grown ups decide to breed, ok with me, they probably count on the horrendous tax. But if teen kids make a mess and need to test asap, the 15fr price tag in the vending machine gets ugly, or poor students at uni? They should offer a super cheap ones, as they do at home, don't look so nice but stressed out young folks could care less, couldn't they..

.

I wouldn't mind paying so much, if that's what they were actually worth but what they charge for them here is exorbitant.

Anyway, I hope you get good news tomorrow, TonyBhoy.

TonyBhoy 12.07.2011 19:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joanne_vos (Post 1261895)
Well, how about another test, not chemical. How does your wife feel? there are other symptoms to being pregnant - sore boobs is a common one.

I knew I was pregnant, did a test, it came up negative, my husband tried to tell me not to be sad, but I could really feel I was pregnant. Sure enough I was - with twins! Actually at that stage it was triplets (but I lost one early on). So sometimes you can know before the test can predict it.

Good luck!

She does have symptoms, but she gets the sore boobs before each period as well

Carlos R 12.07.2011 19:26

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They've never failed us, and my wife has used them the week before period was due. The last one was an early predictor kit, and it too was +ve.

MusicChick 12.07.2011 19:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBhoy (Post 1261905)
She does have symptoms, but she gets the sore boobs before each period as well

Tony, I am thrilled at the trust with us you manifest here, but I think I would be very slightly peeved if my other half discussed my sore boobs and exact times of period with people in public and leave it hang here for ever, and ever, and ever... I might be completely old school and hungry cranky at this point, but voila...have some decorum, hahaha. :D


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