Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Family matters/health  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08.08.2011, 20:47
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 45
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 25 Times in 10 Posts
Naila has no particular reputation at present
NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Wondering what kind of experience you might had at private nurseries in Zürich.

My daugther is going to nursery, she is 3 years and 4 months, and the nursery insists that ALL kids sleep at 1pm. However, it takes my daugther very long to fall asleep since we stop doing afternoon naps 10 months ago! They wake up the children at 3pm.

Now, the problem is that she falls asleep between 9 and 11pm !!!! And not only that, it takes her 1 hour to sleep, she talk and talks and talks in bed. I feel so sorry for that because I dislike it myself if I'm forced to sleep although I'm not tired.

I told the nursery that they should not put her to sleep, instead, let her play quietly until the others awake.

THEY SAID NO, THAT'S THE NURSERIES POLICY.

What do you think??? By the way....it's now 20.47 and she is fully awake.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Naila for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 08.08.2011, 20:53
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Switzerland does seem to carry on the napping quite late. I got into the habit with my son and he only stopped napping just before his 4th birthday.

My sister's kids (in the UK) stopped napping around 2 and a half.

I kept the napping up because it gave me some peace and quiet at the weekends and was glad that the nursery kept him sleeping during that time.

Having said that, it's odd that your child's nursery doesn't recognise the fact that all kids are different and some kids ditch the napping phase a lot earlier than other kids.

Can't you try to reason with them with that and ask them to perhaps give her something quiet to do during the napping time?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:11
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

I have had the same problem with my two not needing a day time nap from 3 years onwards, if they did get one, they would not sleep very well at night - my 3 yr old daughter now sleeps badly at night anyway, and that is without a nap in the day.

Very odd that the Nursery would insist your child needs a nap and goes against your instructions as a Parent - all children are different and not all continue to or need a sleep in the day.. have you explained to them that she does not sleep at night if they make her sleep in the day?

That is definitely not the norm here as my son went to a Gemeinde run Kinderkrippe, and a private nursery before I got him a place at KK, and both places were very respectful/ attentive to my son's needs and my request he not sleep in the day but instead have quiet time whilst the younger children slept. However, we did agree that if he had a very active morning i.e walking in the woods, trip out etc. he was allowed 10/15 minutes but they were to wake him, which they always did.

Any chance you can change Nursery? Very odd indeed..
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:25
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: lausanne, Vaud
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 7 Posts
chartreuse has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

It could also be a culture thing! The first school I taught in (in Germany) the children were expected to nap for 2 hours each afternoon until they turned 5 - though often children were included in nap time until the end of the year if their birthday was after March 1st. I had the same feeling as you until I asked a parent about it and she told me she was happy because then they could spend quality time with their child after work!
There is also the possibility that the teachers are given a break (on a rota system) during nap time or do preparation/have parent teacher meetings etc. For this reason the school will not offer you the possibility of letting your child read or play quietly.
I am afraid that you are not in a strong position so I hope that you find a way of living with it. Look quietly around for another option!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank chartreuse for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:26
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

At my grand-sons nursery in the UK the same thing happened. My daughter asked for him not to have a nap in the afternoon- but they said they couldn't make exceptions, as toddlers are very clever and would soon realise that it is indeed optional - if not all go to nap at the same time.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:35
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: lausanne, Vaud
Posts: 15
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 7 Posts
chartreuse has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

I forgot also to say that if people sleep twice in a 24 hour period the total amount they sleep falls drastically. I lived for a few years in the south of Spain and because of the working day there had 4 hours off in the middle of the day. I started taking a siesta following my flatmates´s example. After roughly 10 days I found I was sleeping roughly 90 minutes in the afternoon and 4 hours at night! A total of 5 and a half to 6 hours in any 24 hour period. This I think has also been scientifically proved! My heart does go out to you - and your child - I know that sometimes children are awake even when parents would like to be in bed themselves!
Find somewhere/someone who understands you and move your child!
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank chartreuse for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:37
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Maybe it is to do with the facilities that the Nursery have and they require all children in the sleeping room at the same time whilst they clear up, or prepare the main room for the afternoon..?

The Kinderkrippe we used had a sleeping room as well as a quiet corner with cushions, books, quiet music so the kids that did not require sleep chilled out there during the set afternoon nap time.
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:39
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 17,041
Groaned at 649 Times in 502 Posts
Thanked 25,827 Times in 10,410 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Quote:
View Post
Wondering what kind of experience you might had at private nurseries in Zürich.

My daugther is going to nursery, she is 3 years and 4 months, and the nursery insists that ALL kids sleep at 1pm. However, it takes my daugther very long to fall asleep since we stop doing afternoon naps 10 months ago! They wake up the children at 3pm.

Now, the problem is that she falls asleep between 9 and 11pm !!!! And not only that, it takes her 1 hour to sleep, she talk and talks and talks in bed. I feel so sorry for that because I dislike it myself if I'm forced to sleep although I'm not tired.

I told the nursery that they should not put her to sleep, instead, let her play quietly until the others awake.

THEY SAID NO, THAT'S THE NURSERIES POLICY.

What do you think??? By the way....it's now 20.47 and she is fully awake.
It's probably because they don't have enough staff to cover lunchtimes.

You're paying for the service. What do other parents think? If you can get a few together to support your view, you'll have more of an argument to put forward.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #9  
Old 08.08.2011, 21:54
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: basel
Posts: 2,358
Groaned at 24 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 2,426 Times in 1,164 Posts
biff has a reputation beyond reputebiff has a reputation beyond reputebiff has a reputation beyond reputebiff has a reputation beyond reputebiff has a reputation beyond reputebiff has a reputation beyond repute
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

The needs of the individual child is supposed to be at the centre of any nursery programme, not the administrative/cleaning/staffing organisation. Perhaps the centre management staff needs to be gently reminded of this.

For many young children, lunchtime can be seen as a "refueling" time and no sort of quiet time is required after that meal. Instead they frequently need time to boisterously let off energy before they are capable of settling down to calmer activities later.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank biff for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 09.08.2011, 09:25
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: la cote
Posts: 3,661
Groaned at 23 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 3,312 Times in 1,742 Posts
runningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond reputerunningdeer has a reputation beyond repute
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

I would find another nursery/creche.

Our creche allows for the afternoon nap, but they would never ever force a child to sleep. That is their policy. Indeed, children are different and some need a nap at midday at age 3/4, others do not. In the older age group, as time goes on, less and less are taking the nap, and they are allowed to play quietly, ie. puzzles, books, etc. while others sleep. Perhaps propose this to the nursery or change nurseries.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank runningdeer for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 09.08.2011, 11:01
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 42
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 19 Times in 9 Posts
canadiangirl has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

As a childcare/Kindergarten professional, I find it awful if they make every child sleep. A rest time is needed indeed but each child is an individual therefore some may sleep and some may not... Having a book to read or a puzzle is great way for children to rest.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank canadiangirl for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 09.08.2011, 13:11
Angelique's Avatar
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Limmattal
Posts: 25
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts
Angelique has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

My daughter is also 3 years, 4 mos and never sleeps at her krippe. Everyone else does and she got into trouble for keeping others awake. But now she is better and they are happy as long as she is quiet, listens to the story/music tape or reads a book while the others nap.

Quote:
View Post
Maybe it is to do with the facilities that the Nursery have and they require all children in the sleeping room at the same time whilst they clear up, or prepare the main room for the afternoon..?

The Kinderkrippe we used had a sleeping room as well as a quiet corner with cushions, books, quiet music so the kids that did not require sleep chilled out there during the set afternoon nap time.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Angelique for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 09.08.2011, 20:26
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 45
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 25 Times in 10 Posts
Naila has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

THANK YOU ALL for your very kind and supportive comment.

I was able to talk to the nursery owner and she was very understanding and she'll try to find a solution.

I wrote them that if she has a nap in the afternoon, she won't sleep before 9.30pm which means she will get a total amount of sleep of 9.15hour (!!!)

However, if she doesn't sleep in the afternoon, then she would sleep 12hours (!!!) without waking-up once and that's the routine we are having since the past 10 months and I hope I can continue this routine....

Thanks again to everyone for your comments.
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank Naila for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 09.08.2011, 23:02
Auntie_M's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Zürich
Posts: 81
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts
Auntie_M has earned some respectAuntie_M has earned some respect
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

I can only say I have the same expereince. Not all children need a nap, but rest after lunch is always good.

Quote:
View Post
As a childcare/Kindergarten professional, I find it awful if they make every child sleep. A rest time is needed indeed but each child is an individual therefore some may sleep and some may not... Having a book to read or a puzzle is great way for children to rest.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Auntie_M for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 10.08.2011, 07:47
swisspea's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: From one side of lake Zurich t
Posts: 6,401
Groaned at 42 Times in 31 Posts
Thanked 6,553 Times in 2,998 Posts
swisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond reputeswisspea has a reputation beyond repute
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Quote:
View Post
I can only say I have the same expereince. Not all children need a nap, but rest after lunch is always good.
Can I also add that every family's expectations are different ? I have parents who want their children to have really big sleep at childcare so that they can stay up late and spend the time with them at night, and I have others who don't want their child to nap so that they go to bed really early and are 'no trouble' in the evening. And it changes over time, too!

The key thing is to talk to your childcare (as you have done) and it usually works out...most childcares really do want to do the right thing by the child...

My experience is also that kids at childcare/preschool get much more tired there than they do at home - my son persisted napping at preschool for about 9 months longer than at home... it was tricky to 'read' him rather than have the same schedule every day...but we got through...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank swisspea for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 12.08.2011, 18:41
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Wollerau
Posts: 20
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Richmond75 has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Personally would not be keen but everyone's expectations are different. If you are happy with other aspects I would try and insist, if not, look elsewhere.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Richmond75 for this useful post:
  #17  
Old 12.08.2011, 18:49
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

I agree with Odile and Swisstree, my sister works in a Nursery and when she takes care of the 3 yera old they have to nap, this is in Peru but I am guessing the rules are the rules so that kids do not get the impression this is optional...too bad they do not have a quiet room like Tom mentioned it soudns like a great idea
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 12.08.2011, 19:19
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zurich
Posts: 45
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 25 Times in 10 Posts
Naila has no particular reputation at present
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

It's all solved now. My daugther just rests with the other kids but DOES NOT SLEEP and after half an hour she can get up and play till everyone is awake.

Glad it's solved and we can continue our normal routine
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Naila for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 12.08.2011, 19:49
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

Quote:
View Post
It's all solved now. My daugther just rests with the other kids but DOES NOT SLEEP and after half an hour she can get up and play till everyone is awake.

Glad it's solved and we can continue our normal routine
That's good news, you have it sorted with the Nursery, you can now get some sleep at night too.

Speaking of sleep, my 3 year old was bouncing off the walls last night in the wee small hours, all because she fell asleep in the car yesterday and I didn't notice.. the joys of active kids
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 12.08.2011, 20:16
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: NURSERY that insists 3-4 years old to sleep!

A good compromise- as this way the other kids don't fuss as she is made an exception, etc. Excellent.

Mind you - who is taking on the bet that she might well fall asleep now she doesn't have to. Kids, lol.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Mother injects Botox to her 8 years old Nil International affairs/politics 25 28.03.2011 12:27
My 18 month old doesnt sleep through anymore Panther Family matters/health 16 14.02.2010 11:32
One year old battered at nursery!! transition Family matters/health 26 17.09.2009 10:41


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0