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Some expat mothers have put information on the internet for new expats to know what to expect from int. schools in Switzerland. One of them is now under a criminal investigation for it and it will probably have to be taken by the expat mothers off the internet. Would anybody else have experience with freedom of speech or freedom of information cases in Switzerland?
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

Link please.
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

There is ample freedom of information in Switzerland. You can find out who owns a car through the registration number, you can even ask for other people's tax details.

But what you can't is libel others. So without any further information, I assume this is the problem...
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Link please.
And an introduction too please
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

As Colin says, I think we need more information before we can comment. Can you be more specific? "Freedom on information" is not the same as "put whatever you want up on the internet".
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Link please.
cannot give you the link because I do not want the english forum getting into trouble again. last time it put the info on the forum it was treatened with legal actions too and was forced to take it off
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cannot give you the link because I do not want the english forum getting into trouble again. last time it put the info on the forum it was treatened with legal actions too and was forced to take it off
Mr Troll, is that you?
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cannot give you the link because I do not want the english forum getting into trouble again. last time it put the info on the forum it was treatened with legal actions too and was forced to take it off
But, you have not made any previous posts !
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As Colin says, I think we need more information before we can comment. Can you be more specific? "Freedom on information" is not the same as "put whatever you want up on the internet".
it was put on to warn parents that not all international schools can be trusted to have the best interest of your children in mind. It can happen that an int. school claims to have e.g. an IB Accreditation for MYP but in reality has not. It can also happen that it claims to have a Bewilligung from the Bildungsamt but basically that means nothing at all. It can also claim to have a Bewilligung from the Gemeinde in which it is located for its nursery but in reality does not have it. That means e.g that the young children in that nursery are exposed to an uncontrolled and therefore possibly dangerous place. The expat mothers only wanted to warn other expats for such schools but as their own families are in danger now are forced ( like the english forum before) to take the info off leaving others parents deprived from important information on the safety of their children at such school.
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Some expat mothers have put information on the internet for new expats to know what to expect from int. schools in Switzerland.
Hi thor..
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But, you have not made any previous posts !
one of the other mothers did, but after being threatened by an int. school owner with legal actions, all info was removed by the english forum.
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it was put on to warn parents that not all international schools can be trusted to have the best interest of your children in mind. It can happen that an int. school claims to have e.g. an IB Accreditation for MYP but in reality has not. It can also happen that it claims to have a Bewilligung from the Bildungsamt but basically that means nothing at all. It can also claim to have a Bewilligung from the Gemeinde in which it is located for its nursery but in reality does not have it. That means e.g that the young children in that nursery are exposed to an uncontrolled and therefore possibly dangerous place. The expat mothers only wanted to warn other expats for such schools but as their own families are in danger now are forced ( like the english forum before) to take the info off leaving others parents deprived from important information on the safety of their children at such school.
Are they really "in danger"? If they put up facts even if they are taken to court they should win. If they put up slander and lies... well that's another issue. We don't know what they put up because you wont' let us in on the secret.

Anyway, I hope they have legal insurance. It's around CHF100 per year through TCS. Good luck with your fight!
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

pls be aware that schools that try flying under the radar could have a reason for that and probably attracts people who do not mind unethical behaviour either
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

As trolling goes....this is pretty amateur stuff.

Can't you be a little less obvious - its a bit like shooting fish in a barrel
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cannot give you the link because I do not want the english forum getting into trouble again. last time it put the info on the forum it was treatened with legal actions too and was forced to take it off
If what you say is true (and I doubt that it is)
a) Why are you here again? Did you think things would be different this time?
b) If legal action was threatened against EF, do you think you are doing us or the owners of EF any favors by attracting attention to it again? Thanks!
c) Why should we believe that you aren't a troll? Seriously. Making accusations without proof is the height of cowardice.
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

...I was wondering why all the arg, whine and righteousness posts the last couple of days, then I remembered we just had full moon...
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it was put on to warn parents that not all international schools can be trusted to have the best interest of your children in mind. It can happen that an int. school claims to have e.g. an IB Accreditation for MYP but in reality has not. It can also happen that it claims to have a Bewilligung from the Bildungsamt but basically that means nothing at all. It can also claim to have a Bewilligung from the Gemeinde in which it is located for its nursery but in reality does not have it. That means e.g that the young children in that nursery are exposed to an uncontrolled and therefore possibly dangerous place. The expat mothers only wanted to warn other expats for such schools but as their own families are in danger now are forced ( like the english forum before) to take the info off leaving others parents deprived from important information on the safety of their children at such school.
Now this statement is true.
I know it for a fact as I was told that any child that is perceived as potentially affecting the academic ranking of an International School will be rejected out of hand. They base the fees they can charge on the academic ranking and the competition is so fierce that they don't feel they can afford to take any chances on children that aren't way above average.

As long as you understand that theses schools are businesses first and the educational aspect comes second you won't be confused or offended.

If your child fits their model then you have a good situation. If not then you have "NO" situation.

This is information that I have observed first hand.

Having said all of that, I wouldn't agree with the "thesis" of the OP. One just has to remember that the law in Switzerland seems to be oriented to protect businesses first. Maybe the direct democracy aspect is a check to balance that.

Don't worry though as many more countries are moving in this direction. After all I just heard a candidate for president in the USA say that corporations are people too.
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One of them is now under a criminal investigation for it and it will probably have to be taken by the expat mothers off the internet.
If it's a criminal investigation it's a low priority one, the site's been up since November 20, 2009.
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After all I just heard a candidate for president in the USA say that corporations are people too.
See the relevant Supreme Court decision.

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...te_personhood/
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Re: no freedom of information in switzerland

OP: please introduce yourself, cite specific examples, provide links (I doubt anyone in EF will be in legal danger for referencing an existing piece of external information) to the alleged info/libel and ask the question in a more straight-forward fashion. Do you REALLY want to know if freedom of information is undergoing a social debate, or you want to state your point of view ? The topic seems more a statement than a question.
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