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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

I've just applied for my son's passport to Paris and you need to send your son's birth certificate, your birth certificate, a credit card form and a copy of your passport (since the credit card is not in the baby's name). You also need to send the two photographs signed by a suitable person who has known you for at least two years.

Having sent all this I then got an email requesting my original marriage certificate, I guess to prove my change of name to my married one.

I think it's slightly different if you have registered your child at the consulate for a British birth certificate but we haven't done this yet.
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Resurrecting an old thread here, but has anyone applied for a British passport for a newborn recently (both parents British)?

So far, we have registered online (and paid the blood money) and now have to post supporting documentation along with photos of our little cherub to the passport office in Durham. As far as I can understand (my brain is somewhat sleep-deprived), we have to send our daughter's birth certificate, a parent's birth certificate AND both parent's passports. Can anyone confirm that passports are necessary? I am more than a little concerned about sending all of these (very important) documents and about being passport-less for a month or so.

We went through this process over 3 years ago with our firstborn child, but we had to apply to Paris and, to be honest, I really can't remember which documents we sent.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Friends who got one for their don recently didn't send the parents' passports with the application ( even though they form says you should) they only sent the birth certificates and countersigned photo and the new passport came back without any problems in around 3weeks. I did have a phone call verifying a couple of things as I was the counter signatory but they do seem to just do random checks from time to time, it didn't affect the processing time in any way.
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Can't you just send you passport numbers with the application? The DVLA will accept just the number as "ID" because (presumably) they the have the facilities to check inter-agency speaking. Surely the Passport office can check its own records...


Sorry. Probably not helping - but it may be worth a phone call all the same. Good luck, and congratulations on the birth of your new baby.


Just to add - when we applied for Little Rufus' first passport (from the UK) we definitely didn't have to send off our passports - just supplied the numbers, I'm fairly sure.
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Old 27.01.2016, 23:47
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

You can always send a photocopy of the parents' passports along with all the other paperwork if you want to be extra cautious.
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

We got a passport for our new kid about 6 months ago - i'm sure I only entered the passport number, didn't have to send my passport.

Also, check the additional evidence requirements carefully - even though I was born in the UK to UK parents I also had to send my dad's birth certificate and my parent marriage certificate - all because our sprog was born in CH we had to prove "UK lineage"...
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

I've just got fresh UK passports for both our children, for one of whom it was a first UK passport.

I sent (in italics not really required - I was just making sure all bases were covered and we didn't lose weeks in toing-and-froing)
  • French birth certificates (both born in France - I didn't bother to make sure the certificates were less than 3 months old or whatever as required in France itself as I'm sure the British authorities don't care),
  • their UK consular birth certificates (I got these for them when they were quite small)
  • my UK birth certificate
  • marriage certificate
  • a photocopy of my passport (certified by a UK solicitor in Geneva)
  • photocopies of *every single page* of their foreign (French) passports (unfortunately this is necessary, sometimes the foreign passport itself is required).
  • proof of address
  • photos

We got the new passports back within a month, along with all the original documents (so I lost the certified photocopy of my passport which had cost me all of 10CHF ).
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Hi,

Would be great if you can let me/us know the outcome of your application...

We'll be in the same situation in a few months, with the added complication of my husband needing to renew his passport with a name change, and I still need to change my surname!

When I checked the HMPO (UK passport office) site recently, it stated the requirements for an overseas first passport to include:

1. the passport numbers of both parents and their dates and place of birth, and in some cases the same details of grandparents
2. 2 identical new photos of you (or your child, if it’s a child passport application)
3. any other current passports issued by other countries
4. a MasterCard, Visa, Visa Electron, Visa Debit or Maestro (UK Domestic) card - Maestro (International) cards aren’t accepted

Also, they state that the process can take up to 6 weeks, with no possibility to fast track a first time passport.

I wouldn't have expected to send both our (the parents) passports off too, this would be too inconvenient for a possible length of 6 weeks!


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Resurrecting an old thread here, but has anyone applied for a British passport for a newborn recently (both parents British)?

So far, we have registered online (and paid the blood money) and now have to post supporting documentation along with photos of our little cherub to the passport office in Durham. As far as I can understand (my brain is somewhat sleep-deprived), we have to send our daughter's birth certificate, a parent's birth certificate AND both parent's passports. Can anyone confirm that passports are necessary? I am more than a little concerned about sending all of these (very important) documents and about being passport-less for a month or so.

We went through this process over 3 years ago with our firstborn child, but we had to apply to Paris and, to be honest, I really can't remember which documents we sent.

Thanks in advance,
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Old 28.01.2016, 11:20
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the process would be if we would like to hold dual citizenship for a child? Father British, mother Swiss, is it possible to apply for a British passport as well as a Swiss one?
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Old 28.01.2016, 11:24
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the process would be if we would like to hold dual citizenship for a child? Father British, mother Swiss, is it possible to apply for a British passport as well as a Swiss one?
Of course it is. Dual British/Swiss nationality is fine there are no restrictions from either side.
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Old 28.01.2016, 11:47
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I don't believe this is true. See here for home Office guidelines:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/br...en/bornabroad/

My interpretation - assuming that the OP and/or his partner are British and have lived in the UK in the past, their child will be eligible to pass on its British nationality to its children provided it lives in the UK for a continuous period of at least 3 years during its life.

But if the child never goes back to the UK and somehow the grandchild is born stateless then the UK will still grant citizenship to the stateless child of a BRitish citizen, whether they are a citizen by descent only or not. Should both the child and the grandchild never live in the UK, if the OP's great grandchild is born stateless, then it is probably stuffed.
Yes, the UK will grant citizenship to a stateless child, if the parents are full UK citizens, but this has to be applied for, and it takes several months. During which time the child has no passport and has to remain in the country of birth.

Newborn children, born abroad, have never lived in the UK! A special situation exists, where the grandchild will not receive automatic citizenship, it needs to be applied for!

Take this test, https://www.gov.uk/check-british-citizen
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Resurrecting an old thread here, but has anyone applied for a British passport for a newborn recently (both parents British)?

So far, we have registered online (and paid the blood money) and now have to post supporting documentation along with photos of our little cherub to the passport office in Durham. As far as I can understand (my brain is somewhat sleep-deprived), we have to send our daughter's birth certificate, a parent's birth certificate AND both parent's passports. Can anyone confirm that passports are necessary? I am more than a little concerned about sending all of these (very important) documents and about being passport-less for a month or so.

We went through this process over 3 years ago with our firstborn child, but we had to apply to Paris and, to be honest, I really can't remember which documents we sent.

Thanks in advance,
I did this just 11months ago for my little boy.

Application - We downloaded the form on the internet and completed it.
Photo's - We did our own (placed our son on the bed with a white sheet, plenty of light), took the images to a photography shop in Zug and they reproduced some passport sized images.
Mail - Put all the docs (inc both our passports and all 3 birth certs) in an envelope, cellotaped up the edges well. Took them to the post office and sent the whole lot recorded delivery to the UK passport office in the UK. No need to go through Paris any longer.

I recall being cautious of the time frames, as I need my passports due to travel committments with work. However, all 3 passports were returned in approx 15days. I was completely gob-smacked at the speed it took.

If both parents are British and with UK passports it's very easy.
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Wow! A huge variation in the responses for this..... It seems some sent passports, others sent copies, others sent notarised copies etc.

We will call the Passport office (although I am pretty sure they will tell us to send our passports), and will update this thread accordingly. I also don't understand why passport numbers are not sufficient?! If we do send the passports, I think we will send via a courier (I'm not a huge fan of the Royal Mail).

Thanks for all of the replies.
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Update:

We called the passport office, they stated we did NOT need to send our passports, but we did need an International birth certificate for our daughter (basically one with many languages, including English). We called the nice people at the Zivilstandsamt and one was sent the next working day for 31 CHF.
We will now send this with the passport photos and completed forms.
Fingers crossed that this is all sufficient and we haven't been given duff information (it wouldn't be the first time....)

I still can't believe there is so much variation in what people have been told/interpreted from the official website. English is my mother tongue and I'm educated to PhD-level, but I still didn't understand what I was supposed to send (although this might say more about me and the British education system......)
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Thanks for the update!

Do you remember how long it took to receive the standard Swiss birth certificate and did you need to send the original Swiss certificate off in order to receive the International birth certificate?

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We called the passport office, they stated we did NOT need to send our passports, but we did need an International birth certificate for our daughter (basically one with many languages, including English). We called the nice people at the Zivilstandsamt and one was sent the next working day for 31 CHF.
We will now send this with the passport photos and completed forms.
Fingers crossed that this is all sufficient and we haven't been given duff information (it wouldn't be the first time....)

I still can't believe there is so much variation in what people have been told/interpreted from the official website. English is my mother tongue and I'm educated to PhD-level, but I still didn't understand what I was supposed to send (although this might say more about me and the British education system......)
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I still can't believe there is so much variation in what people have been told/interpreted from the official website. English is my mother tongue and I'm educated to PhD-level, but I still didn't understand what I was supposed to send (although this might say more about me and the British education system......)
A possible reason is that the UK requirements change over time and this thread is quite old now (4.5 years). Another special problem is that there are 3 types of British citizenship, and always the problem of children born abroad, when the passport office is in Durham (I think that is still correct).
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Thanks for the update!

Do you remember how long it took to receive the standard Swiss birth certificate and did you need to send the original Swiss certificate off in order to receive the International birth certificate?

Thank you
You can request an international birth certificate when you register the birth and ask for additional copies too. No need to send off anywhere to get one. They will often offer it to you as an option but if they don't just make sure you ask for it. It costs slightly more than the standard Swiss certificate.
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You can request an international birth certificate when you register the birth and ask for additional copies too. No need to send off anywhere to get one. They will often offer it to you as an option but if they don't just make sure you ask for it. It costs slightly more than the standard Swiss certificate.

Yep, all true. But, after just giving birth, I forgot to ask for the International certificate and the hospital (Hirslanden) didn't offer it.
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Thanks for the update!

Do you remember how long it took to receive the standard Swiss birth certificate and did you need to send the original Swiss certificate off in order to receive the International birth certificate?

Thank you
Like previously said, if you have the wherewithal to ask for the international birth certificate, then do. If not, we just called the Zivilstandsamt, and they sent it out to us. You do not need to send the other birth certificate. You can even do this process online.
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Re: Birth certificate / passport application for newborn both parents british

Question : Does the Birth certificate in German have to be translated to English does anyone know?

This I know sounds like a stupid question: the form instructions says it does, but it's so obvious, is there a chance they'd take it in German?

Anyone know?

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Hmm, actually read the majority of the thread... international copy it is....! Thanks
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