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Take it anyway you want...Thank goodness for my "Swiss" friends who are parents or anyone else reading this thread would think Switzerland is a "war-zone" for children. Many "over-reactions" are totally unnecessary, but that comes from the country people come from. They carry those fears with them from their countries and don't take the time to really "know" the new place they are in. They just pick up from where they left off in their home countries. We always have to be cautious, but many not used to Swiss culture over do it, totally!
Isn't it rather odd then how my son's "Swiss" school requested that parents accompany their children to school each morning?

Not exactly a warzone, more a sensible piece of advice in ever-changing times. Maybe your "Swiss" friends should bring you a little more up to date.

Alternatively, you could just "look it up."
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Swiss children are more mature.... that's why children as young as 5yrs can walk to school alone,
Maturity eh? Or because that's the done thing here and the kids don't get a say? Some kids do and some kids don't. The parents decide.

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Swiss children are more mature.... that's why the average "Swiss" child can speak 3 languages
So it has nothing to do with the education system?

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Swiss children are more mature.... that's why you don't have an epidemic of overweight, obese children
Or maybe it's because they walk to school and TV is so crap that they don't spend hours sitting in front of it stuffing their faces with crisps.

I see a lot of teenagers here. I wouldn't say they're uber mature. They're just teenagers and have the same behavioural problems and issues with alcohol and drugs as anywhere else
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Isn't it rather odd then how my son's "Swiss" school requested that parents accompany their children to school each morning?

Not exactly a warzone, more a sensible piece of advice in ever-changing times. Maybe your "Swiss" friends should bring you a little more up to date.

Alternatively, you could just "look it up."
My Swiss friends would find you comical actually....and some do "walk their children" in the beginning. Swiss parents are more intelligent, IMHO, I find them more interesting...Hang around them a bit and you'll learn something...Like I wrote before...prove me wrong...

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Maturity eh? Or because that's the done thing here and the kids don't get a say? Some kids do and some kids don't. The parents decide.



So it has nothing to do with the education system?



Or maybe it's because they walk to school and TV is so crap that they don't spend hours sitting in front of it stuffing their faces with crisps.

I see a lot of teenagers here. I wouldn't say they're uber mature. They're just teenagers and have the same behavioural problems and issues with alcohol and drugs as anywhere else
It doesn't have anything to do with TV being crap, they are on a different level altogether. They are certainly not in awe about celebrities and stupid gimmicks or the media. That's why so many celebrities can come to Switzerland and live a "real life." A mature sign is also the very, very, very small number of teenage pregnancies in Switzerland. Sexual responsibility, yes?
Of course teenagers have raging hormones. But that's not what we are writing about here. We're writing about much younger children. Plus I bet you most teenage "Swiss" children speak 3 or 4 languages. Even on drugs!...LOL. Like I wrote before...I guess you suggest that Swiss children, or any children, should sit in front of the TV all and eat junk food! Typical...
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Re: Letter from school warning parents about strangers

Am I wrong to feel ticked off a bit that a serious thread about a topic that concerns quite a few forum members has been more or less derailed by a bit of trollery.
Just shut up Propserity Joy, please.

We also had a letter sent home last term about a couple of attempts to abduct children in our neighbourhood. What was particularly bizarre was that the information was not sent to the international school, situated not 500m from where the incident occurred. Parents from that school found out via a neighbour and then facebook/school grapevine.
As I have a little girl I asked my neighbour about it and she replied that yes, they had all had a letter home but she didn't tell me because I picked up my daughter from her maternelle in town and so she thought that my child would be safe. I can kind of see her logic but surely the more people know a paedophile is on the prowl, the better.
My kid is now in school and walks with the neigbour's daughter but I am not entirely comfortable with this (especially as mine is one of the gorgeous ones).
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It doesn't have anything to do with TV being crap, they are on a different level altogether. They are certainly not in awe about celebrities....
... not even The Internationally Famous DJ Bobo?

EDIT: sorry terramundi, just saw yours. Yeah, let's get back on topic please.
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No it's not, it's happening every week in the USA. They found a little boy who asked a stranger for directions recently cutup in the strangers freezer. Feet and all. Just last week a gorgeous little girl was abducted found her dead too. The stories are endless and sad too...
I'm not aware of this particular story but, still, for a population of 375 million people, it's still a fairly rare statistic. Nancy Grace and her ilk just like to stoke the fear as it's good for business. The vast majority of child abuse still happens at home or at the hand of those who are trusted by the child for their wellbeing. Completely random serial killers/child abductors remain a very unusual statistic, even in the US.

I'm sure if everyone here read Swiss German and High German well enough to read the news feeds, it'd be very similar...save maybe a lack of douchebags like Nancy Grace who feed on the fears of every parent who wonders what would happen if their child were abducted.
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My Swiss friends ... Swiss parents are more intelligent, ...Hang around them a bit and you'll learn something...
yada yada yada
It's funny how you seem to think that you, over there in the United States, know more Swiss people and know more about Switzerland, than those of us who are actually here.

We don't all live in expat bubbles, you know. Some of us even live outside Zurich - imagine that!

And in response to your risible assertions about "Swiss parents", I counter that you are talking bollocks. They are no more or less intelligent than any other parents around the world, and are just as prone to hysteria, paranoia, interfering behaviour and general silliness as any of their Anglo-Saxon counterparts.

You're either living in a fantasy world, or just trolling for LULZ.

Now, do you have a constructive contribution to this thread, or are you just here to spread made-up nonsense about a country you don't even live in?
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My Swiss friends would find you comical actually....and some do "walk their children" in the beginning. Swiss parents are more intelligent, IMHO, I find them more interesting...Hang around them a bit and you'll learn something...Like I wrote before...prove me wrong...
Why are you so desperate for someone to prove you wrong?

You do sound just a bit deranged now.

I'm actually married to a "Swiss" parent and "Swiss" parents are just like any other parents, as far as I can make out (or at least most in our circle of Swiss friends and family around Zurich are). No special formula, no glowing Swissie parent aura.

How are you gauging intelligence when you say "Swiss parents are more intelligent IMHO"? Better academic qualifications? More commonsense? A broader understanding of the offside rule? What? Does any of it actually make them better parents than, say, US parents?

Do you have anything useful to add to the thread apart from "prove me wrong" outbursts. To be honest I don't think anyone actually cares about your anecdotes and generalisations.

Why don't you run off and have a good "comical" session with your Swissie pals. I'm sure they'd love it.
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It doesn't have anything to do with TV being crap, they are on a different level altogether. They are certainly not in awe about celebrities and stupid gimmicks or the media. That's why so many celebrities can come to Switzerland and live a "real life." A mature sign is also the very, very, very small number of teenage pregnancies in Switzerland. Sexual responsibility, yes?
Of course teenagers have raging hormones. But that's not what we are writing about here. We're writing about much younger children. Plus I bet you most teenage "Swiss" children speak 3 or 4 languages. Even on drugs!...LOL. Like I wrote before...I guess you suggest that Swiss children, or any children, should sit in front of the TV all and eat junk food! Typical...
The celebs come here for the tax haven from what I understand.

And lack of teenage pregnancies has likely less to do with maturity than, perhaps, good sex education programs, good distribution of birth control methods, understanding that having a child at any age if you're a woman tends to limit your options tremendously and also you need a lot of cash to raise a child.

I'm guessing you're about....22 years of age as your comments lead me to believe that you're a bit too young and a bit too idealistic to make reasoned comments about either side of the atlantic.
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My kid is now in school and walks with the neigbour's daughter but I am not entirely comfortable with this (especially as mine is one of the gorgeous ones).
In all seriousness, my daughter had a judo class last fall in the US (at 4yo) that also dealt with 'stranger danger', etc., and I found it both cool that she'd be learning to bust the balls of the dumb boy who kept on biting her in class, but also creepy that they have to start worrying about 'strangers' this early in life.

I've told her, you give the creepy dude a karate chop to where it counts and run like the wind as only victims scream like a little girl. I hope she'll never need that wisdom.

Sad, but expected that this stuff goes on here. I mean, if it happens in Germany and Austria, especially with the way the gender politics are here...it'd be foolish to think it doesn't go on here as well, perhaps even more since there seems to be less awareness.
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My Swiss friends would find you comical actually....and some do "walk their children" in the beginning. Swiss parents are more intelligent, IMHO, I find them more interesting...Hang around them a bit and you'll learn something...Like I wrote before...prove me wrong...
Youre Swiss friend want to have their Children molested apparently. Why the fuq would I want to hang out with them?
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My son started KG aged 4. We live about 120 steps (and a very small side road) from it. First week I walked him there. After that HE insisted that he walked himself. I used to wait at the corner of our sidlung and hide behind the bins watching him walk up the road!. No way in the world would I have ever let him walk alone over main roads or if we lived say 20 mins away!

As for the rate of attacks on children in CH - it's just crazy to suggest there are none. There was the high profile case of Ylena a few years ago. But I know of a few rapes on very young children in one of the parks here in Basel (KG age)

A very prominent Swiss pyschologist who was I believe instrumental in the "my body belongs to me" programme told me that the actual rate of abuse on children here is high (as are unreported stats everywhere) - but often it just doesn't come out, or not until much later. This does sometimes filter through to the press with stories of pedophile football coaches and so on, but basically the media coverage of such stories is simply incomparable to the coverage and type of coverage in the UK and US.

People who take things at face value and believe all the papers say or don't say will perhaps have a dangerously naive perspective on being a child in CH. Other people will see that CH is just as "dangerous" as the UK - the US and many other countries as people are people wherever you go and pedophiles are everywhere, the "disease" if you want to call it that, doesn't simply stop once one crosses the Swiss border!!

ps) I teach Swiss and British/American teenagers....in no way, shape or form are Swiss teenagers any more or less mature than British/American teenagers. As with everything, it's an individual thing. Some Swiss teens are mature, others are not. Same with other nationalities. One of the most mature teens in my class is actually Indian.
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Most of you "expats" sound deranged. You're bringing your fears with you from wherever you came from. You're not trying to "understand" the culture and majority of you haven't even taken the time to understand or speak the language. The Swiss culture takes some time getting used to. And yes, I know some really hip, cool and rich Swiss people, plus those not so rich too. Maybe I should show them this thread and a few others on EF to remind them why they need to vote SVP. Since they can see how "foreigners" really feel about them...LOL...Okay, everyone Carry On!..
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It's funny how you seem to think that you, over there in the United States, know more Swiss people and know more about Switzerland, than those of us who are actually here.

We don't all live in expat bubbles, you know. Some of us even live outside Zurich - imagine that!

And in response to your risible assertions about "Swiss parents", I counter that you are talking bollocks. They are no more or less intelligent than any other parents around the world, and are just as prone to hysteria, paranoia, interfering behaviour and general silliness as any of their Anglo-Saxon counterparts.

You're either living in a fantasy world, or just trolling for LULZ.

Now, do you have a constructive contribution to this thread, or are you just here to spread made-up nonsense about a country you don't even live in?
Yeah Doug, unlike you I have the freedom to come and go from Switzerland as I please not worrying about Visa's, permits etc...I have a "permanent" residence in Switzerland. I believe you're "stuck, hey?"...Since I do still work (off and on) in USA until 2012, I check on my residence every few months. Plus I have some "Swiss" friends who assist me too. I'll be going to India next year too, but not to live. Gee, it's great being able to leave for 1 month, 2 months, 3 months or 3 years and not being concerned about permits etc...Freedom is lovely.
P.S. If I'm in USA then I guess I know whats happening there too...unlike yourself who's never been to America...shame on you!
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Wibble!

(Sorry, I just wanted to bring the average clarity of these last 3 posts up a bit.)
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And yes, I know some really hip, cool and rich Swiss people, plus those not so rich too. Maybe I should show them this thread and a few others on EF to remind them why they need to vote SVP. Since they can see how "foreigners" really feel about them...LOL...Okay, everyone Carry On!..
You actually sound like you are sucking up to them. As SVP voters, how do they feel about you, as a foreigner, getting the red passport?

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Yeah Doug, unlike you I have the freedom to come and go from Switzerland as I please not worrying about Visa's, permits etc...I have a "permanent" residence in Switzerland. I believe you're "stuck, hey?"...Since I do still work (off and on) in USA until 2012, I check on my residence every few months. Plus I have some "Swiss" friends who assist me too. I'll be going to India next year too, but not to live. Gee, it's great being able to leave for 1 month, 2 months, 3 months or 3 years and not being concerned about permits etc...Freedom is lovely.
P.S. If I'm in USA then I guess I know whats happening there too...unlike yourself who's never been to America...shame on you!
Can I recommend the benefits of getting Swiss citizenship coming from the UK? All of the above-mentioned perks but you don't get slapped for tax from the motherland.
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Most of you "expats" sound deranged. You're bringing your fears with you from wherever you came from. You're not trying to "understand" the culture and majority of you haven't even taken the time to understand or speak the language. The Swiss culture takes some time getting used to. And yes, I know some really hip, cool and rich Swiss people, plus those not so rich too. Maybe I should show them this thread and a few others on EF to remind them why they need to vote SVP. Since they can see how "foreigners" really feel about them...LOL...Okay, everyone Carry On!..
Excuse me. How the bloody hell do you know that us "expats" don't try to understand the culture or try to understand the language? You think that Swiss parents are more intelligent? Try telling that to the child I know with Swiss parents who was left on her own for a weekend whilst her parents went skiing when she was 4 years old! You're talking out of your rear end, which actually makes a lot of sense come to think of it, as all of your posts in this thread are sh*te.
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PJ - you have a very general and stereotypical idea of "us expats". I'm married to a Swiss man, speak Swiss, understand Swiss, am surrounded by Swiss, have belonged to a Swiss "club" for 10 years have lived here over 10 years.

And I'm not the only one. Many people on here have taken the time and effort to learn the language, have got to know people "Swiss" and otherwise as individuals not as a "Swiss person or an "Indian person" and see that people are people wherever you go.

I lived in the US for a year - have also lived in Australia for several years and Japan and people are people - once you take the time and effort to get to know them as individuals - wherever you go.

Most people here with a British passport at least, have permanent residence in CH after a few years, plus they can live wherever they want in the European Union. Many people can also live in Australia or the States because of their occupation.

But all that is really beside the point isn't it. This thread is not about who has made more friends in Switzerland (Swiss or otherwise) or who classifies people as "Swiss" and "expat" rather than "friend" and "somebody you've yet to get to know". This thread is about the safety of kids in Switzerland.

Where I live in Basel Land, one of my sons classmates and best friends who he does sleep overs with etc - is the son of a cantonal SVP party member. She is a nice woman, a pretty strong woman and a patriotic woman. She keeps a very close eye on her son, checks on where he is, what he's doing - in no way just "lets him run free" - in other words she acts like any caring sensible parent in any country.

Last year the gemiende where I live decided that rather than paying for more teachers they would send kids aged 11 to PG and Secondary school in the next village (a 5 min walk and 10 min bus ride away). This decision has caused SUCH an uproar with parents who don't want their kids to take that trip and want them to stay at the local schools within walking distance that the parents have actually started a petition.

Now just in case you're interested in the nationality of the parents who started the petition, it wasn't "anxious" British parents or "over protective" American parents - it was the Swiss parents. People I know who are normal parents - same as you get in many countries.

But these examples don't fit into any neat nationality boxes do they? But if you actually live here, a part of the community here - you'll see that's the way it is. Parents are parents wherever you go. There are parents here who will send their 4 year old across a city to walk to school alone - just as there are parents in the town where I grew up in the UK who let their 5 year olds out "to play" until 10 or 11 at night. It happens - sometimes these kids get knocked down on busy roads at night.

Different parenting within the same country - it happens.
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It is such a shame to have this good thread with very good informations being put down and turned into a stupid argument with a Troll.
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It is such a shame to have this good thread with very good informations being put down and turned into a stupid argument with a Troll.

Well it wouldn't be EF if a thread stayed on topic for more than one page would it?
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