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You are being a bit over sensitive.

We are talking about a very specific case. In THIS case we know it is the dad/ex-husband (ie, man) who is assisting in this suit against the mother/ex-wife for, ummmm, not buying the birthday presents or sending care packages!!!! Is that abuse? Wow, well, then I was horribly abused as a child. ;( I don't know how I survived.

If it were the other way around we would be saying the mother (ie woman) is the evil one. oy vey.
Maybe he assisted because he is a lawyer and he needed a job!
Maybe he assisted because they threatened him with X or Y. After all their behavior could explain that (they sued their mother)
Maybe he assisted because he new the mother had made real abuses
etc... etc... etc...

I'm not defending them at all.

I'm revolting against allegations based on not much.
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Old 01.09.2011, 16:41
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Maybe he assisted because he is a lawyer and he needed a job!
Maybe he assisted because they threatened him with X or Y. After all their behavior could explain that (they sued their mother)
Maybe he assisted because he new the mother had made real abuses
etc... etc... etc...

I'm not defending them at all.

I'm revolting against allegations based on not much.
Ok, maybe. But maybe he's just evil. He IS a lawyer after all.


(LOL. Don't take it so seriously.)
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Ok, maybe. But maybe he's just evil. He IS a lawyer after all.


(LOL. Don't take it so seriously.)
You see if you justify why you said he is evil, it works better.

That's possible explanation of calling him "evil". Works for me.
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Old 01.09.2011, 16:46
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You see if you justify why you said he is evil, it works better.

That's possible explanation of calling him "evil". Works for me.
Phew! I'm so glad we could reach agreement.

I should be have been a lawyer. I've practiced my evil laugh. ]:-> (<---- devil smiley, why don't we have one??)
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Old 01.09.2011, 16:51
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I'm revolting against allegations based on not much.
The you are taking it out on the wrong ones, revolt against the people who wrote the article. Since pretty mush it only got repeated here.

It's all pretty weird. If he needed the job, then he would be paid by his own kids. Loads of cash went lost into the system, not to either his kids or his pocket, by this. Why would a reasonable parent go into this crap?

Anyways.

Next.
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The you are taking it out on the wrong ones, revolt against the people who wrote the article. Since pretty mush it only got repeated here.

It's all pretty weird. If he needed the job, then he would be paid by his own kids. Loads of cash went lost into the system, not to either his kids or his pocket, by this. Why would a reasonable parent go into this crap?

Anyways.

Next.
Hm it's clearly said "he tried to talk his kids out the lawsuit before representing them" and it's never said in the article "the guy is evil"...

I do agree that it's all pretty weird. But I don't agree to call him evil based on nothing.
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Old 01.09.2011, 16:58
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Hm it's clearly said "he tried to talk his kids out the lawsuit before representing them" and it's never said in the article "the guy is evil"...

I do agree that it's all pretty weird. But I don't agree to call him evil based on nothing.
So you don't. Others do. That's how personal opinions differ. And that's the biatch about sharing them, too. Other people will differ from you. Just breathe...

I think, personally, it is hard to make an opinion, but even if innitially he wanted a pay back, and then, he realized, and tried to talk the kids out of it, lil late, innit. They all sound like a bunch of...can't say it.
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Old 01.09.2011, 17:00
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So you don't. Others do. That's how personal opinions differ. And that's the biatch about sharing them, too. Other people will differ from you. Just breathe...

I think, personally, it is hard to make an opinion, but even if innitially he wanted a pay back, and then, he realized, and tried to talk the kids out of it, lil late, innit. They all sound like a bunch of...can't say it.
That's called "allegations".
That's when it starts to be wrong.

Biatch share those things in the private space, not in public spaces.
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They all sound like a bunch of...can't say it.
Petty bitches.

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Old 01.09.2011, 17:13
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That's called "allegations".
That's when it starts to be wrong.

Biatch share those things in the private space, not in public spaces.
I wouldn't be so dramatic over sharing opinions of a few readers here on some dumb article. It's more about what is allowed to be brought into a court room, which is pretty shocking.

Most of the banter here is sharing some kind of personal input. People will always take the liberty to form an opinion before being informed about it in detail. They might refuse to be better informed, and in this case, how can we? Should we ask for a detail report to US court? Who is gonna pay for it? If we communicate only after we get a full picture, then we won't communicate. And stereotypes and exagerrations will always be part of quick opinions. Makes me laugh. If some poster wants to say, the dad is evil, so be it. If somebody else wants to say, the kids are nuts, so be it. Most of the stuff here is linked to some kind of bias. That's what communication is about. Light hearted chitchat. I know the immediate dad judgment probably hits a nerve, but, since he did represent the kids...he layed his own bed.

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Petty bitches.

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I'm revolting
Indeed. ...............
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Re: Taking your parents to court: what are we becoming?

what you need to take away from the article is this:

1. father tried to pursuade them not to file the suit, but failed and took the case anyways - wtf if he really didnt want them to sue then he would not have taken the case.

2. the reason they needed their father to represent them is that no lawyer in their right mind would bother to take on a case like this since it is a waste of their time and money.

before we eventually get comments about how crazy the US legal system is and how americans are sue-happy, keep in mind that:
1. it's better to give people access to courts rather than filter out claims and block access based on somebody's arbitrary judgment on what is considered meritorious or frivolous
2. as you see, the justice system is sane and the correct outcome was reached.
3. lawyers are the first line of defense against stupid lawsuits because they won't take on dumb cases.
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2. the reason they needed their father to represent them is that no lawyer in their right mind would bother to take on a case like this since it is a waste of their time and money.
Sadly no. There were 3 lawyers on this case!
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Re: Taking your parents to court: what are we becoming?

mmmmm 1995.... that was 16 years ago
....both siblings are now in their 20s, so when they moved in with their dad they were between the ages of 4 to max. 13 years old.

My question is: why did the mom give up custody of her little children ?

Perhaps poor choices 16 years ago, simply back-fired and there's more pain than just bad birthday cards ?

Maybe they sued her for not caring ?

quite sad really....
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Old 01.09.2011, 21:46
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Soups, or SOAPS?

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No, it's more like give me your dope!

You clearly see immediately that the dad is evil!
Dude it is my opinion WTF? He did represent his children if he was opposed he should have stepped aside...
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PS: how about we shoot the guy based on your extremely accurate facts?
Is not how we do in Mexico?
I would not know, I am not Mexican...
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1. it's better to give people access to courts rather than filter out claims and block access based on somebody's arbitrary judgment on what is considered meritorious or frivolous
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I completely agree. However courts after hearing the case must penalize suits deemed to be frivolous. That is something which is not being done.

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2. as you see, the justice system is sane and the correct outcome was reached.
Ahem....really now?
edit...Read the comments section too

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3. lawyers are the first line of defense against stupid lawsuits because they won't take on dumb cases.
I respectfully disagree for the following reason. A Lawsuit (stupid or valid) is an opportunity to change the customer. Lawyers are rarely paid based on the result of the verdict hence it makes sense to file as many cases as possible

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Congratulations for your very accurate deductions. Your scientific and psychological analysis have been extremely helpful in identifying the real criminal.

The man!

Of course your super skills have not even considered that that man has been called by the kids because he was a lawyer.

No, instead you immediately knew that he is the one who corrupted the kids.


Well done again.

PS: I hope any of you will never be part of a jury. Unfortunately you all probably have the profile...
Corsebou, I can only assume from your posts here and on other threads in the forum that you (or someone close to you) has been, what you feel to be, unfairly treated in the family courts.

The trouble is, jumping down everyone's throat who mentions a court case involving kids or access rights to children, and accusing them of always siding with the mum is a little unfair.

Some of us here are seperated from their child's father and work hard to make sure a relationship is maintained despite wanting in all the world never to have to see them again. There are decent mum's out there too and not all of us are lying, evil bitches that just want to punish the father and make their life difficult.

Shared custody, no matter if it's 50/50 or the father or mother only sees their child once a week, is difficult for all parties.

It is not often you will see members of the EF come on here and post about how they can stop access to their children UNLESS there is some cause for concern for the welfare of the kids. I can promise you if someone were just trying to stop access for their sake and not for the kiddie's they would be put in place by mother's and father's alike on here.
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My question is: why did the mom give up custody of her little children ?
I thought about it too, but we do not know, do we, if she gave up custody..It looks like we don't know anything, apart from the snippets of a pointless court and dad who represented his kids in a court against their mom. Insane.

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