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Old 15.09.2011, 17:03
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UK child benefit

I've searched but nothing came up.

I have just moved from the UK to here (Zurich) and informed HMRC that I was moving so that my tax credits and child benefit could be correct.

ignore following section [LOL, originally tax credit said I'd get the same tax credit so I 'phoned them and said that doesn't sound right as I wouldn't be earning or paying childcare in the UK, so they said blah blah blah, and sent me a letter this week that I owed them 10 and to 'phone them again to organise paying it.... Well, any of you that have ever 'phone the child tax credit help line will know that it involves at least 5 dropped calls after 20 minutes on hold before you eventually get to be on hold for 40 minutes and they answer, then don't know anything so you go back on hold...... Half my phone bill when I left the UK was HMRC.....]

Child benefits said they honestly didn't know because they did pay out for EU but Switzerland is weird (lol). And I should just wait and see if I still get payments. Now they have sent me a form.... One of the question asked is have I applied for benefits here. Now I don't know if the CHF200 a month is a benefit or a working thing or what.

Anybody here still getting UK child benefits? (Her father still lives in the UK and (is meant to) has her for one week a month).
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Old 15.09.2011, 17:16
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Re: UK child benefit

I think you need to start from the beginning of your post again!! Where did the CHF200 come from? Is the form you received an E411 form?
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Old 15.09.2011, 17:17
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Re: UK child benefit

Not getting it and certainly seemed to be no question when I rang to tell them I was moving that I would still be getting it .. but was told that just one call to HMRC would not be enough and that I would have to telephone the individual departments to make sure they got the information .. which I did as I did not want to be overpaid with any allowance and then have to pay it back (as happened with child tax credits during my maternity leave, despite repeatedly giving them all the information and asking if they were sure they should be paying me so much ... )

So beware .. even if someone tells you you can still get it, if they realise they have actually made a mistake, they will still want it back.
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Re: UK child benefit

Making some assumptions here

- you are working in Switzerland
- the 200CHF a month is the Swiss version of child benefit and you are receiving it through work

then the answer is yes

you are receiving child benefit from Switzerland and cannot claim it from the UK as well.

If the assumptions are wrong - please disregard!

Hope that helps
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Old 15.09.2011, 20:15
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Re: UK child benefit

If you are no longer in the UK you will not receive child benefit or child tax credit. It stops from the time you leave the country, or from the time you tell them. I left the UK 3 years ago and it stopped. I take it you are no longer with the father. So one week a month does not justify him claiming the benefit for her, she is resident in Switzerland in that case. One word of advice, If you are thinking of letting him claim the child benefit and tax credits instead of you, then make sure your relationship is very amicable. The fact is, in the UK, if you are the one in receipt of the child benefit, then you are the one seen as having care of the child. The other parent is then liable to pay maintenance, regardless of whether they actually live with you..

I am a single parent and I receive 200 CHF through my employer for my daughter. I believe that you receive 200 CHF per child. You do have to prove that you are no longer in receipt of the benefit in the UK. Its very easy to set up and it doesn't take long to receive the benefit.
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Re: UK child benefit

Yes, the CHF200 is something I had to apply for trough my employer, and was told it would be added to my pay, which is why I wasn't sure if it was a government benefit or not.
Now I know I can fill in the form to say that I have applied for benefits here and am still waiting to know the response.
Thank you all for your help.
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One word of advice, If you are thinking of letting him claim the child benefit and tax credits instead of you, then make sure your relationship is very amicable. The fact is, in the UK, if you are the one in receipt of the child benefit, then you are the one seen as having care of the child. The other parent is then liable to pay maintenance, regardless of whether they actually live with you..
Yes, he did ask if he could apply and then 'send the money to me', but I pointed out that HMRC have been informed that she is resident in Switzerland so either I get it or she isn't entitled to it, in which case I don't think he can apply.
I've looked at our agreement that we signed saying that we could move, and it only says that he doesn't have to pay maintenance whilst we are here, nothing about me not paying maintenance . But it does say that I am her primary carer.
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Yes, he did ask if he could apply and then 'send the money to me', but I pointed out that HMRC have been informed that she is resident in Switzerland so either I get it or she isn't entitled to it, in which case I don't think he can apply.
I've looked at our agreement that we signed saying that we could move, and it only says that he doesn't have to pay maintenance whilst we are here, nothing about me not paying maintenance . But it does say that I am her primary carer.

I am glad you sorted it out. You say you have a signed agreement that you can leave the country. Is this done legally? I had an awful time getting out the UK, 6 months of court, reports, Cafcass reports - complete and utter nightmare, to obtain a "leave to remove", as my ex didn't "give" his permission.

Hope all goes well.
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Yes, he did ask if he could apply and then 'send the money to me', but I pointed out that HMRC have been informed that she is resident in Switzerland so either I get it or she isn't entitled to it, in which case I don't think he can apply.
I've looked at our agreement that we signed saying that we could move, and it only says that he doesn't have to pay maintenance whilst we are here, nothing about me not paying maintenance . But it does say that I am her primary carer.
You cannot sign any maintenance rights away. Any agreement is informal and will not / does not have to honoured by a court. You can apply to his local court for a maintenance order, and have it enforced by the same. If the child is not subject to a residency order you can remove the child from the UK, if the child is subject to to an order, you must get permission from he courts for any period longer than 4 weeks.

The Father will be committing fraud if he claims Child benefit for a child that is not normally resident with him. Same for Tax Credits.
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You cannot sign any maintenance rights away. Any agreement is informal and will not / does not have to honoured by a court. You can apply to his local court for a maintenance order, and have it enforced by the same. If the child is not subject to a residency order you can remove the child from the UK, if the child is subject to to an order, you must get permission from he courts for any period longer than 4 weeks.

The Father will be committing fraud if he claims Child benefit for a child that is not normally resident with him. Same for Tax Credits.

Just for clarification , The residency order is only in the case of holiday. if you have residency then you get to take the kid without the other parents permission for upto 4 weeks on holiday.

If you are moving regardless of residency the other parent has to give their permission. This was my case, no residency in place, she just lived with me. If he refuses then you must apply for a leave to remove unless you have a legal document stating he gives his permission, because he can back track. I don't want to go off subject but that was my case.

My ex also tried the "let me claim the child tax and child benefits game and I'll send you the money", so I informed the authorities that he may try this. it is fraud.
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Re: UK child benefit

Update.
He's in serious money difficulties, and he told all and sundry that he had 50%. Had a bender. went missing. And came back. I got a call from HMRC about where she lived.
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Which is silly, because I told them twice (3 times if you include Tax Credits and Benefits) and then filled in that form.

Sigh...... I give up.
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