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Halloween activities for kids in Luzern

We may visit friends in Luzern over Halloween. Is there anything for the kids to do? Anywhere to find other kids dressed up? I could really pass on the candy portion of the evening...
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Re: Halloween activities for kids in Luzern

Call me narrow-minded, but to be honest, I'm glad all the efforts of industry and commerce to force Halloween upon us have not been very successful yet. I cannot see any reason for a country like Switzerland, without the slightest cultural relationship to Halloween, to adopt it, other than for the mere profit of a few people. I mean, it may be fun for kids, but because of one evening per year it just isn't worth it.
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Re: Halloween activities for kids in Luzern

Don't remember seeing much haloween stuff around here, well, at least, not the usual parties in pubs and clubs that would happen in the uk, but I guess that's not what you're looking for for your kids.

One of my swiss friends seemed genuinely suprised to have a little trick or treater turn up to her door a couple of years back, I guess some people organise something, but it doesn't seem very common.
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Call me narrow-minded, but to be honest, I'm glad all the efforts of industry and commerce to force Halloween upon us have not been very successful yet. I cannot see any reason for a country like Switzerland, without the slightest cultural relationship to Halloween, to adopt it, other than for the mere profit of a few people. I mean, it may be fun for kids, but because of one evening per year it just isn't worth it.
Seriously? Halloween is fun. Kids get to make their costumes and run around the neighborhood and get some candy. It's fun, it's secular (well, at least in the modern incarnation) and you can sometimes also tie it in with other cultures like Day of the Dead and bake special bread, make sugar skulls. It's harvest festival time. Live a little!

If you want to attack a commercialized holiday, look no further than Christmas. There's a holiday I wouldn't miss.

For the OP, if you're willing to come into Zurich, I can hook you up with a big party for kids complete with trick or treating in a local town. My daughter is asking me daily already about Halloween and her costume this year. PM me if you want details
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Re: Halloween activities for kids in Luzern

Thanks Poptart! That is exactly what I am looking for...but I don't think we can manage Zurich.

Last year I remember the American Women's group here organizing a kids' party, I was just wondering if something of that sort might be going on in Luzern.

And I'm with you on Christmas. I actually enjoy the celebrations with family, but really why do sing about 12 days of Christmas, but then have a Christmas season that stretches on for months and months.
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Re: Halloween activities for kids in Luzern

the swiss american society of lucerne also has a halloween party. www.sasl.ch
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Seriously? Halloween is fun. Kids get to make their costumes and run around the neighborhood and get some candy. It's fun, it's secular (well, at least in the modern incarnation) and you can sometimes also tie it in with other cultures like Day of the Dead and bake special bread, make sugar skulls. It's harvest festival time. Live a little!

If you want to attack a commercialized holiday, look no further than Christmas. There's a holiday I wouldn't miss.
I don't doubt that Halloween can be fun, but just like Americans have no idea what the 1st of August in Switzerland is about, most Swiss have no clue what Halloween is about. So there is no reason to force it on them, just like I don't expect Americans to sell me firework and allow me to launch it on 1st of August.

The little bit of Halloween stuff you may encounter in Switzerland got introduced in the last ten years or so, mainly to make profit. Unlike Christmas, there is absolutely NO cultural backing for Halloween in Switzerland. Which does not mean your kids are not allowed to have fun, but please don't expect too much appreciation from the Swiss side. Most people here don't know anything about the whole trick or treat business. They just see that kids scare the heck out of their dogs with firecrackers.

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I don't doubt that Halloween can be fun, but just like Americans have no idea what the 1st of August in Switzerland is about, most Swiss have no clue what Halloween is about. So there is no reason to force it on them, just like I don't expect Americans to sell me firework and allow me to launch it on 1st of August.

The little bit of Halloween stuff you may encounter in Switzerland got introduced in the last ten years or so, mainly to make profit. Unlike Christmas, there is absolutely NO cultural backing for Halloween in Switzerland. Which does not mean your kids are not allowed to have fun, but please don't expect too much appreciation from the Swiss side. Most people here don't know anything about the whole trick or treat business. They just see that kids scare the heck out of their dogs with firecrackers.
Firecrackers? Those aren't part of Halloween...Guy Fawkes maybe, but not Halloween. It's not a whole lot different than the Turnip parade on the 7th of November (which ISN'T technically Swiss and has only been around since the 20s, but, hey who's keeping score). Kids carve gourds, dress up, light them up, parade through town. There IS a cultural backing for Halloween, a very very old one, Samhain (and let's not forget the Christian All Hallows). It's that time of the year for such things. I'm not sure I expect the Swiss to appreciate it, but I think your response was a bit of the 'Get off my lawn!" sort. If I were back in the States and a bunch of Swiss kids wanted to do a turnip parade, I'd (and probably a lot of others) would be all over that as it's fun, kids get to do a craft, get to dress up and have a ball. Nobody is forcing it on anyone...
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Firecrackers? Those aren't part of Halloween...Guy Fawkes maybe, but not Halloween. It's not a whole lot different than the Turnip parade on the 7th of November (which ISN'T technically Swiss and has only been around since the 20s, but, hey who's keeping score). Kids carve gourds, dress up, light them up, parade through town. There IS a cultural backing for Halloween, a very very old one, Samhain (and let's not forget the Christian All Hallows). It's that time of the year for such things. I'm not sure I expect the Swiss to appreciate it, but I think your response was a bit of the 'Get off my lawn!" sort. If I were back in the States and a bunch of Swiss kids wanted to do a turnip parade, I'd (and probably a lot of others) would be all over that as it's fun, kids get to do a craft, get to dress up and have a ball. Nobody is forcing it on anyone...
Of course I know firecrackers aren't part of Halloween, but most of those kids in Switzerland that "celebrate" Haloween think they are. And that's, again, my point. They don't know what they are doing because there is no cultural backing for Halloween in Switzerland.

Yes, Samhain is connected to harvest-festival-like activities, but that applies to hundreds, if not thousands of other autumnal activities too. That does not mean everybody has to play along everywhere. Let's face it, the Irish community in Switzerland is absolutely marginal. If I had not quite a few friends of Irish descent in the USA, I wouldn't know anything about Samhain.

And yes, I know that, for instance in the USA, it has grown way beyond its Irish - Celtic origin. But there's no such thing in Central Europe. There is no understanding of the background. All you see is some kids in funny costumes running around, making noise and playing more or less nasty tricks on people.

Nobody prevents you and especially your kids from having some fun, but, again, don't expect the Swiss to understand, let alone support it, except a few greedy money-makers and some parents who think they must play along with just about everything they once saw on TV.

I sincerely hope that Carmen's kids will have a great Halloween experience in Lucerne. However, my point was and still is that you should not expect too much because it's not an institution here. I'd say 25 years ago 90% of the population wouldn't have had any idea of what Halloween is. Now it may be around 75%. Just a guess, though. May be too optimistic.
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Of course I know firecrackers aren't part of Halloween, but most of those kids in Switzerland that "celebrate" Haloween think they are. And that's, again, my point. They don't know what they are doing because there is no cultural backing for Halloween in Switzerland.

Yes, Samhain is connected to harvest-festival-like activities, but that applies to hundreds, if not thousands of other autumnal activities too. That does not mean everybody has to play along everywhere. Let's face it, the Irish community in Switzerland is absolutely marginal. If I had not quite a few friends of Irish descent in the USA, I wouldn't know anything about Samhain.
Well, and even most Americans haven't heard of Samhain to be fair but I think we're talking about two distinct things here the holiday, Halloween and the ritual, the trick or treating/pumpkin carving/haunted houses/etc.

To be fair to the OP, she merely asked if there might be something going on for Halloween near Luzerne which is really pretty normal for yankee expats with small children. She wasn't suggesting Swiss folks embrace the holiday or that we should all take to the streets and ring doorbells after dark which I can totally see how that wouldn't go over very well here . There are always Americans having Halloween for the kids when overseas. Sometimes even the local embassies and consulates get in on it. Not a big deal.

However, the actual holiday itself is very much related to rabechilbi as a common theme in many of these traditions is lighting the darkness in one way or another. In an agrarian country like this, I'm sure it has been celebrated similarly for quite some time. It's unfortunate that the crusaders co-oped most of the pagan rituals for their own purposes, but I'm glad that at least in this one holiday, the old traditions held on.

If I do, however, happen to see a Swiss teen lighting firecrackers, I'll set them straight.

And a nice page of pics from Rabechilbi - really neat. Can't wait to pull out my dremel and kit for pumpkin carving to have at a tiny turnip.

http://www.sengers.ch/izueri/raebech...aebechilbi.asp
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I could give a hoot what the Swiss are doing. I wanted to know if there are other Americans around with kids dressing up. If I wanted to know if there was a Swiss celebration, I'd check with Swiss people/sites, not so much on this one.

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the swiss american society of lucerne also has a halloween party. www.sasl.ch
Actually http://www.sasl-lucerne.ch/events.php

Thanks That pumpkin carving thing sounds like fun.
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I could give a hoot what the Swiss are doing. I wanted to know if there are other Americans around with kids dressing up. If I wanted to know if there was a Swiss celebration, I'd check with Swiss people/sites, not so much on this one.

Your post was a totally off-topic threadjack and a pointless attack. Totally groan-worthy.
Thank you for your very kind words. So far I've never given a groan to anybody, so not even you can make me do that. However, maybe next time you might want to formulate your question a bit more clearly.
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Re: Halloween activities for kids in Luzern

We have a celebration similar to Halloween back home, but we call it Carnaval I'd also like my kid to experience the fun I had as a kid when dressing up (though no candy for us).

May I just ask a little favour?

Don't let your kid dress like a ninja.

Last year someone knocked on my door. When I checked on the spy, it was a young adult with a sky mask. Having had a couple of horrible situations of people trying to break into the house while I'm inside, I panicked and almost called the police.

Two days later I noticed it had been a Halloween costume on a tall nieghbour kid.

For the heart health of crazy neighbours like myself, who don't celebrate Halloween, go with the witches and mummies Pretty please with cherry on top?



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How funny you mention carnevale. We actually bought the boys' costumes in larger sizes so they'll still fit in the spring. Carnevale is very big down here in Ticino.

No ninjas here. My big kid is not yet 2 1/2, so we're doing animal costumes.
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Halloween has passed this year...but if anyone finds this thread in searches in the future, there is a group called Vamos a Jugar that puts on a Halloween party in Luzern.
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