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Old 03.11.2011, 11:31
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Re: Schools for 4 children

Actually, Ethelreda, that was one of the questions I was going to ask. The older two started their education in a Welsh medium school. Welsh is also a phonetic language although more akin to French than German, similar words for things.

My eldest had far less problems learning to read than the 8 year old despite it being a second language.

Thank you every one for the excellent advice.

We are definitely leaning towards International for the elder two. I appreciate what you saying about the 13 year old Amch and he is quite socially immature so could go back a year. Plus I know he has the motivation, unlike his older brother The biggest problem is that he will be the most reluctant to move having only started his present school a year ago and having made a very close friend. He struggled when we moved from Wales to England with the leaving friends and starting somewhere new. So I need to make sure that I get it right straight away with him, the Gymnasium route is probably too risky.

We should hear more about my husbands relocation package soon. Despite the upheaval I am starting to feel far more positive about the move now so I am hoping that it will be viable financially.
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Re: Schools for 4 children

Hi there

Please be aware that children living in the canton of Zurich will not be allowed to attend non_German speaking schools (ie interntational school in English) unless they can prove they will be here only temporarily. I don't know if this applies to you as your children were educated in English up til now but you might want to look into it. This only applies to children before grade 9 or 10 (sorry, cant remember) as the canton is no longer responsible thereafter. It just might affect your choice of residence, particularly as your younger children will likely not be allowed to attend school in English if they reside in Zurich.

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Its okay hankag I have read the ruling on a different thread and my children are excluded because they are coming from British schools where they were taught in English.
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Re: Schools for 4 children

Sounds like you have lots to think about in preparation for coming! but definitely worth taking your time to make the right decisions, which you are obviously doing!
my 3 kids have all attended different secondary schools, so important to find the right school to suit each child - and with similar international considerations it is/was also very complicated!
while the IB is a great qualification to achieve, it best suits "allrounder" type of teenagers, as the academic subject have to be picked from a selection from across the spectrum - so a child who is great at maths and sciences but weaker in languages (for example) could struggle with that element, and could end up at the extreme of losing overall marks because of the weaker subjects. You probably know all this already, and if your eldest is fairly strong across the board it may suit him. But do bear in mind that there is a lot of written work (even in subjects such as art), and even with the assistance of computers the writing might seem endless, if that is a tough challenge for him.
It is good to be able to ask what are the alternative streams, if/when you start to visit any international schools, or is the IB is the only option offered? I would try not to choose a school which only offered the IB with no alternative, if that is at all possible....

do message me if you have other questions about the ib, our kids have ended up with an assortment - IB, GCSEs, boarding school, dropping out! - so i feel it would be nice to pass on the benefits of all my extra grey hairs!

all the best with everything, good that you are asking all these questions here, there is a wealth of experience here from parents with kids in probably every sort of educational option in CH.
it will all work out OK....!!
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Re: Schools for 4 children

Hi Everybody

I am from Argentina and my husban will be relocated in Zug.
I have 2 young kids, the oldest is 4 and the baby 1 and half years old.

What can u tell me about schools in Zug? our idea is to send them to a public one.
Do they talk to kids in german o swiss german?
Are there public kindergarten for 2 years old kids?

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Old 05.11.2011, 07:10
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My daughter (12) was offered six months of intensive German lessons at a private language school (Allegra) in Zurich. When this has finished she is expected to enter the local school system. So for the last five months she has not attended regular school, though they do teach terminology in other subjects it is not for extending her knowledge, just so that when she does maths or science she understands the vocabulary.

This tuition is free to us in Adliswil, and the travel costs are covered too.

I can't say how successful this will be for integrating her into the local school system, but I am delighted at how good at German she is now.
Does anyone knows if there is such an arrangement in Zug as well?
We are planned to move to Switzerland at the end of December, and thinking of living in Zug.
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Re: Schools for 4 children

I believe there is a special integration school in Cham that older foreign kids attend for 6-12 months before joining the mainstream schools. I have no personal knowledge of it though. I think a school setting would be easier fir kids than private lessons or lessons in an aldult language school.
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Old 05.11.2011, 19:16
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My two children were placed in a local Swiss school, with an integration class. Within 12 months my lad had been moved to the nearest Swiss school , normal class with the rest, and within 9 months my daughter was placed in the normal classes with other Swiss children.

From my own experience , Swiss schooling is far superior to the UK system, and infinitely better than International school that would at best have kept them up with the UK system, monolingual and missing out. For long term stays in Switzerland , International schooling @ 35K p.a. for two teenagers is simply not justifiable.
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My two children were placed in a local Swiss school, with an integration class. Within 12 months my lad had been moved to the nearest Swiss school , normal class with the rest, and within 9 months my daughter was placed in the normal classes with other Swiss children.

From my own experience , Swiss schooling is far superior to the UK system, and infinitely better than International school that would at best have kept them up with the UK system, monolingual and missing out. For long term stays in Switzerland , International schooling @ 35K p.a. for two teenagers is simply not justifiable.
hear hear.

I know of 2 children that arrived in CH aged 8 and 10 and spent only 6 months in the integration classes, and then moved to the normal, local, school.
After 3 years they now get better German marks than their local colleagues, and their language skills are amazing. Both Swiss German and High German are excellent.
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How old were your children when you arrived?

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My two children were placed in a local Swiss school, with an integration class. Within 12 months my lad had been moved to the nearest Swiss school , normal class with the rest, and within 9 months my daughter was placed in the normal classes with other Swiss children.

From my own experience , Swiss schooling is far superior to the UK system, and infinitely better than International school that would at best have kept them up with the UK system, monolingual and missing out. For long term stays in Switzerland , International schooling @ 35K p.a. for two teenagers is simply not justifiable.
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How old were your children when you arrived?
10 and 11 years old.
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Re: Schools for 4 children

Upthehatters, I appreciate what you are saying but your children were younger than mine going into the Swiss Educational system.

By the time we sell our property and buy another property we will be well into next year. My eldest is already in y9. Add on another year for him to learn the language baring in mind that although he is currently learning German he is not a natural linguist. He will be lucky if he has been filtered into a state Gymnasium by the time he is y11 and the risk is they will place him in a vocational school anyway. At this stage he would be needing to score high enough in his exams to go onto a further two years of study and gain access to one of the Russell group Universities. At the moment he is considering a career in Law. My second son is only one year behind so would face similar challenges and although he is better at learning new languages he is currently learning Spanish and French not German.

The average number of passes at grade C and above per pupil was 10.6.
65% of all entries gained grades A and A*.
Eighty students each gained five or more passes at grades A and A*, thirty six each gained
ten or more passes all at grades A and A*.
The average points score (based on A*=58, A=52, B=46, etc.) was 532, which is equivalent
to over ten grade As or nine grade A*s per student


The above are this years GCSE results form the State school they are currently attending in the UK. I would not expect an International School to compete with these results as their current school selects on academic ability much in the same way a Gymnasium does. However this will be the sort of competition they will be up against if/when applying to a British University in the future. I think it would be better to send them to private language lessons and use CDs at home to learn Swiss German than risk them not being able to realise their academic potential.

We will be integrating into the community ourselves with the younger children and the older boys will be part of that but I think we have to compromise with the older children in a way we hopefully won't have to with the younger.

I need to know as much as possible about the individual International Schools in the Zurich and surrounding Cantons. We are planing to visit Switzerland before the Christmas break. Despite its great academic record my boys current school is by no means perfect so I would appreciate hearing both the positive and any negative aspects . It might be better to pm me as I know threads with this sort of information can become quite competitive and heated.

In regards to the state provision I am assuming it is pretty standard across the Cantons unlike the British State system. Please let me know if this is not the case. Again pm might be the more suitable way of doing this.
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We are thinking of relocating to the Berne region from Texas :-). I am originally from Switzerland but have lived outside the country for 20 somewhat years and my son (8) was born and raised in Texas. My husband is currently looking at a job offer in Bern and I am trying to figure out what we would do with our son (schooling wise).
He speaks English (Texan) only :-) but understands some swiss german. He is however ADHD and does not well with change. He does not like to read but has been able to keep A-B honor roll up to now. He is now in 3rd and would be starting 4th in Switzerland. What would you suggest? Transition to an english speaking school first and then gradually over or directly into the Swiss system? Does anyone know how the support for a foreign language child is in Kanton Bern?
I appreciate all the input I can get on this matter since we are trying to make this as smooth as possible for our child.
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Sorry - forgot to add - as German is a phonetic language its not difficult for dyslexics to learn to speak or spell

Lets not discuss learning french .....
Says who? Perhaps the number of dyslexics is far higher in English, I have no idea... but the number of them in German is increasing rapidely. Of course, I am not allowed to scan and show what I have to read in Gymnasium, so you'll have to take my word for it. We call them Legasteniker here. It is becoming a huge problem. A dyslexic is dyslexic in any language, even Chinese Legasteniker mix up strokes and stroke order.
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Yes, dyslexia IS more likely to appear in English speakers:

http://www.dyslexia-teacher.com/t107.html

My daughter is learning to read and write in German, and it is much different than how my son learned to read and write in English. Although we use "phonics" in English, we have to rely a lot on the memorization of various ways to spell one sound. They teach German by syllable, and it is entirely consistent. It's actually been very easy for her to learn to read the new syllables each week. I think that for a child with dyslexia, learning German may give him some insight into reading that could very well help him with his English down the road.

My kids are in two systems and it's fine. The vacation schedules overlap enough to take extended vacations. It's absolutely unfair to say that the international schools are worse than the local schools. That's rubbish. It depends on what your children need and realistic goals for them.
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In that case, you are saying that learning by syllables is the best way to avoid dyslexia... The debate is raging in France, it's interesting to read your input thinking of the reformists (modern pedagogy teachers) in France and Germany using global reading method. The number of dyslexic is increasing in my views in German and French too... what ever the reason is, it's not only linked to the language itself but as you said, to the method used in primary school.
I believe you, I find just the situation ironical.
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The problem with the IB or AP programs offered by the other international schools is the lack of recognition in Switzerland and many other European countries. It is enough to have 3 A levels, 1 AS and a few IGCSEs to enter a university in Switzerland. With an IB, you need a really high score to be accepted.
These days, the IB is highly thought of in most places. You do need a very high score - a 38 - to get into EPFL and EZH (is that right?) but a 32 to get into the other Swiss universities (except St. Gallen does its own thing.) But, a student who has gone to an International School may not have the language skills necessary for a Swiss university in any case.
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But, a student who has gone to an International School may not have the language skills necessary for a Swiss university in any case.
Such student must work on the language question years in advance! You are right there. But with a bilingual diploma and a proper grade in German/French/Italian, it is perfectly realistic to continue in a Swiss university. The grade in maths can be a bigger problem than the language, depending on what the students applies to.
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