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Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

In September, my daughter started schooling at a Basel elementary school after being preschooled in the United States. She never had any problems and entered the first grade being able to read and write.

After a few weeks at school, she began to reject going to school and became afraid to separate from my wife and myself. When we asked why, she told us that a song in music class had made her sad and that when she started to cry, the music teacher yelled at her. As this teacher was a substitute that day, we let the matter slide and encouraged our daughter to go to school and have fun.

Unfortunately, the problem did not improve. After doing much research on school rejection, my wife started sitting in on the class and reducing her time there little by little everyday. Our daughter was very nearly weaned off her problem when one of her teachers decided he needed to toughen her up. I won't go into details, but what he did was shocking behavior for a so-called pedagogue and resulted in us asking the school administrators to remove our daughter from his class (we later found out he was abusive to other kids, and received a mass mailing from the school administration apologizing for his behavior).

After a few rounds of meetings with school administrators, a decision was made to move our daughter to a school across town. We weren't given much of a say in the matter. Now our daughter is stressed out and we're stressed out as parents having to get her to that school. I have a little bit of a feeling that my daughter has been exiled in order to give her abusive teacher cover at the school where he is still working. It doesn't make too much sense to me to take a child who has had separation issues and move her clear across town, which makes me wonder about the wisdom of school officials here.

Also, another thing that I've found shocking is that the school my daughter is currently attending is taking the students across the city on field trips without any notice. In America, schools must ask permission and notify parents before taking your child on field trips, so I am used to that. But when my wife asked the school to notify us in the future, the response was that they are not obliged to do so.

So, my experience with Swiss schools have not been the best to say the least. And we are now thinking of taking our daughter out of the school and homeschooling her. If anyone has any advice on homeschooling in Basel, please let us know.
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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

Maybe the second school would be better? Why not give it a try.
I am saying this because, looking back, I would never want to have missed my school years. I just loved school, going to school, making friends over there, no, I can't see how depriving a child of one of the best things in one's life cam make him happier. Of course I understand if you have other opinion.
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Also, another thing that I've found shocking is that the school my daughter is currently attending is taking the students across the city on field trips without any notice. In America, schools must ask permission and notify parents before taking your child on field trips, so I am used to that. But when my wife asked the school to notify us in the future, the response was that they are not obliged to do so.
There are a lot of differences between schooling in the US and schooling in Switzerland and this is one difference that I like. My son's class take the opportunity when the weather is good to go to the forest or down to the lake. If they have to get a note out with permission slips out to the parents first, the opportunity is lost.

In the UK, where I am from, kids hardly ever go out on trips for fear of one of some kind of unforeseen incident bringing a huge lawsuit down on the teacher and/or the school.

Jeez-uz I hope that doesn't happen here.
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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

I can't give you detailed answer here right at this moment since I have my teaching duties to tend, but feel free to pm me laters, if you want, or we can debate here, too.

Just briefly - really sorry for your attrocious experience with the hard core, old school teaching mentality that is quite often still persevering here (and knowing and having taught in other systems, too - not only here).

The fact they let your wife sit in the class was fabulous, in fact it is not allowed in the canton where I teach, parents are given a clear nono when even trying to access the building, for safety issue (not having random adults who people do not know well, walk freely around the school) and for easier management. So, kudos to them for that.

I can really see the problem you described, HTFU ways to treat your little one to toughen up. Not constructive at all, in fact often traumatizing, expecially to little foreigners, who have other issues to deal with, ie social isolation, language acquisition, not sticking out, blending in. Does it happen at times? Yes.

You have gotten moved to another catchment area school, not to be penalized, but this is what happens when you need to change a school, you will get automatically moved to the nearest one with a seat free. There are very strict regulations as per class head count. The way your pedagogical gripes were attended to, it seems to me there is zero vengeance, the opposite. Just another country, different system, different of power distribution in the education environment.

School trips are signed at the beginning of the school year, they will tell you in the little slip, it says that your kiddo will be taken to trips, sometimes you won't be informed. The reason also is, everything depends pretty rigidly on weather here (god, remember my old commie trips, storm or no storm, hahaha). Sometimes I don't know if I am taking my students out for a trip 45mins before my work starts. So to tell folks, I think it should be done, for sure, but can understand if some teachers do not send mass emails, etc., might be also to avoid too much email communication with parents when they fell they want to take control over planning trips etc. Honestly, we communicate with parents a lot, but I know, this issue in CH is actually really managed by school. If you insist on being informed, call your teacher every now and then and ask about the planning, when they want the trips, if there is anything kiddo should bring, etc. But to just wait for them to inform you, does not often happen here. YOu can always make up some pretty lie about how being new here and not knowing how to prepare your child's clothes, weather wise, I mean, they will roll their eyes but will most probably send you an sms that your kiddo is going on a trip tomorrow, with temps around 10deg, and mild foene wind.

Homeschooling? Why not...but your child will not learn the language as fast, won't have her little buddies, won't get to feel at home in the community and might pay for this with her lack of self esteem. I know that right now you are questioning the effect of local schooling on her self esteem, but I would honestly give the new school a chance, even if you have to drive her there. Contact the class teacher to see what parents live nearby and you can actually arrange morning commute together, taking turns.

You can always discuss all these things with the "doyenne", the director deputy, I would. They are open to talk, especially if you come in peace and non defensive mode. Talk to her class teacher, too, about the difficulties of long commute, discuss it with director, as the last resort. Then, contact the Gemeinde edu board, your regional centre for enfantine edu (it will be under primaire, though you might have all these terms in German) to discuss the placement, so they know you might want to be on the waiting list for a different placement in your nearer school.

Bah, it is long, anyways - I am going to miss my lunch, gota run to classes.

Good luck and don't dispair. Kids do live through these changes very accutely, I know, I have a kiddo in the enfantine as well. I have figured out, though, the cultural difference is, you give the system the benefit of a doubt, wait and then act, together, with the whole entourage of edu professionals who will most likely be very helpful.

If nothing helps, there are cantonal centres for immersion of little immigrants, who deal with mother tongue classes here offered by the canton, immigration troubles, psy troubles, etc of little kids.

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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

Home schooling is not allowed in all kantons. I know that it is not allowed in Zug, but is in Vaud. My cousin had to move her family to Vaud after 6 years in Zug.

No idea what the rules are in Basel.

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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

Is she at Kindergarten or Primary?
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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

I am very Anti homeschooling as In my opinion it holds back the social development .

Honestly from what I have read here it seems the parents are more the problem. Who goes and sits in the class when the kid comes home crying. Maybe she needs a little toughing up?
How is she going to get through highschool -college-work and life if every time you jump in to protect and move her around when a problem arises??

As for the fieldtrip thing, you are no longer in a sue happy country so things can actually be done here. If I needed a permission slip everytime I set foot out of the classroom...


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Honestly from what I have read here it seems the parents are more the problem. Who goes and sits in the class when the kid comes home crying from being upset with a song????
To be fair, my son's teacher recently asked why I hadn't yet paid a visit to class yet. Apparently it's a normal thing in Switzerland to sit in on your child's class now and again.

I said "Wouldn't it be a bit of a distraction?" and she replied that most kids love it and behave better than normal knowing that mummy is watching. They also proudly show them what they've been up to.

I have to be honest and say a couple of hours sat on one of those mini kiddie chairs being a tall gangly bird fills me with dread...
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To be fair, my son's teacher recently asked why I hadn't yet paid a visit to class yet. Apparently it's a normal thing in Switzerland to sit in on your child's class now and again.

I said "Wouldn't it be a bit of a distraction?" and she replied that most kids love it and behave better than normal knowing that mummy is watching. They also proudly show them what they've been up to.

I have to be honest and say a couple of hours sat on one of those mini kiddie chairs being a tall gangly bird fills me with dread...

We had days for that where the rents would come one or 2 evenings in the year to see whats up.
I grew up when corporal punishment was being fazed out. so every now and then we still got a good smack from the hand or the ruler. and then another one at home cause the teacher wrote a note. times have changed I guess
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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

I also think, foreign kids should be automatically homeschooled after school anyways, to keep their level of whatever they learned at home before they showed up. Reading, writing, math they are often ahead and especially mother tongue.

I have had a fab discussion with a couple of our local homeschoolers here on EF, we also went into unschooling a bit, since I have friends in the US who unschool, it was very inspiring. At the same time, I feel, being immersed in the culture here is one of the most fabulistic things about being in Switzerland. Your child learns another language, has direct access to the culture that wouldn't be so easy if one homeschooled. Often, the kids become masters in knowing CH way better than their unimmersed parents. I wouldnt deny my child that experience.

I think the whole issue is not wether one should homeschool, but how to communicate efficiently with the system and getting to know your options here so you child is allowed to reap the benefit of having the right to be educated in overly very well thought out system (do you bring a freind who can translate, are you fluent, how much does it really flow, is there noise that one can tone down, culturally, for example..).
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For me, homeschooling would all unravel at the point when I have to explain long division, algebra or vectors.

They'd be on their own, armed with the God of Google for that one...
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Re: Is Homeschooling the Solution for Awful Basel School Experience?

Thanks MusicChick for your very thoughtful and thorough reply. It is good to hear some feedback from someone who is in the system, yet uninvolved in our particular case. Very enlightening. We have a meeting in a couple of weeks with school officials to see how our daughter is taking to the school. It would probably be a good time to bring up these issues. Thanks again!
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Gee Tony, you sound like a fossil from some distant past. It's actually quite common now internationally for parents to sit in on classes and many child psychologists agree it's good for the kids.

Also, you need to educate yourself on homeschooling. Research has shown that many homeschooled children are often more socially developed (and better educated) than those going to regular schools.

I don't know of many parents who *would not* want to sit in on class when their child comes home crying. Perhaps you don't have kids, and if so, that is a very good thing! But that might explain why you are so callous in this regard.

Whatever the case may be, we obviously differ on our approach to parenting. You seem to prefer corporeal punishment, I do not. You seem to think permission for a field trip is just to avoid lawsuits, but I see it as a sign of respect to the parent who is ultimately left holding the bag for whatever might go awry on a field trip.
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Is she at Kindergarten or Primary?
She's at primary.
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So, my experience with Swiss schools have not been the best to say the least. And we are now thinking of taking our daughter out of the school and homeschooling her. If anyone has any advice on homeschooling in Basel, please let us know.
Have you considered international schooling? They are more geared up to the expat set who need the comfort of how things are done at home and will probably pepper you with notes and newsletters informing you of every move the school makes.

It costs a bit but I would say for the sake of a child's schooling money shouldn't come into it.

Your daughter (and you and your wife) might feel a bit more comfortable there.
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Gee Tony, you sound like a fossil from some distant past. It's actually quite common now internationally for parents to sit in on classes and many child psychologists agree it's good for the kids.

Also, you need to educate yourself on homeschooling. Research has shown that many homeschooled children are often more socially developed (and better educated) than those going to regular schools.

I don't know of many parents who *would not* want to sit in on class when their child comes home crying. Perhaps you don't have kids, and if so, that is a very good thing! But that might explain why you are so callous in this regard.

Whatever the case may be, we obviously differ on our approach to parenting. You seem to prefer corporeal punishment, I do not. You seem to think permission for a field trip is just to avoid lawsuits, but I see it as a sign of respect to the parent who is ultimately left holding the bag for whatever might go awry on a field trip.

no kids yet but will in the future so you got me beat on that point.
Was not aware of the sitting in class approach, never heard of it and likely will never do it either.
Fieldtrips: I would give responsibility to the school when child is dropped off. They deem it safe so it likely is.

I do prefer corporal punishment (a little slap is what I mean with that on the butt or the shoulder. Not smacking them to the ground obviously.
Not a fossil...actually one of the younger ones up here but def born in the wrong era

As for the social aspect, Maybe in the USA where they know the culture, and people from the neighborhood. Foreign country is a different case imho.

But back to point one....I dont have kids yet and my future wife is more on the "modern" way of raising kids....we'll see how that goes

in any case good luck to you and I hope it works out well for your kiddo!
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I would say this in any other place than here, though...Since, it costs just a hair more than bit .

Another thing, for the sake of immersion, I would go for private, if I decided to ditch local, and not international. Private bilingual, and a good one, since there are some very fine ones.
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As another poster mentioned, homeschooling may or may not be an option depending on the Canton. Not advocating it one way or another, but often it is restricted to qualified teachers and often also following the canton curriculum. Here is a homeschooling site for CH, http://www.bildungzuhause.ch/ , perhaps check all the legalities of doing it before going futher down this route.

I would also check out other schooling possibities as others have also said, perhaps bilingual, international, or other private schooling.
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As another poster mentioned, homeschooling may or may not be an option depending on the Canton. Not advocating it one way or another, but often it is restricted to qualified teachers and often also following the canton curriculum. Here is a homeschooling site for CH, http://www.bildungzuhause.ch/ , perhaps check all the legalities of doing it before going futher down this route.

I would also check out other schooling possibities as others have also said, perhaps bilingual, international, or other private schooling.
Thanks for the link Runningdeer! Much appreciated.
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I would say this in any other place than here, though...Since, it costs just a hair more than bit .

Another thing, for the sake of immersion, I would go for private, if I decided to ditch local, and not international. Private bilingual, and a good one, since there are some very fine ones.
Well, exactly, any of those. The point is there are many more options than homeschooling.

Of course they cost "a lot" (always forget there are non-mothertongue English people here who don't get the use of "understatement" - sorry.. ) but the point is that cost shouldn't be a factor when you want to be sure about your kids' education and the state schools aren't pulling it out of the bag for you.
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