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Old 27.11.2011, 18:17
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Re: Expecting twins - what are the costs of hiring help?

We have twins 8 years and it is interesting. To get going you need a good routine, ie feed them together otherwise you won't get any sleep, that would be my advise and best tip.

Already mentioned, go to Germany for nappies etc.

Going forward get them to make individual friends, twins have a natural and special friend, so they are often reluctant to make friends.

Ours often appear in the same bed in the morning, never know which one though, although they have seperate bedrooms and go to bed in their seperate rooms!

We have has au pairs - it is a lot lof work organising the visa and there is the cost (plus German course and add ons like insurance) but another pair of hands around the house can be useful.
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Old 27.11.2011, 18:32
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Re: Expecting twins - what are the costs of hiring help?

awww am a twin! i also was making that, sleeping with my sister until 12 i guess

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We have twins 8 years and it is interesting. To get going you need a good routine, ie feed them together otherwise you won't get any sleep, that would be my advise and best tip.

Already mentioned, go to Germany for nappies etc.

Going forward get them to make individual friends, twins have a natural and special friend, so they are often reluctant to make friends.

Ours often appear in the same bed in the morning, never know which one though, although they have seperate bedrooms and go to bed in their seperate rooms!

We have has au pairs - it is a lot lof work organising the visa and there is the cost (plus German course and add ons like insurance) but another pair of hands around the house can be useful.
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Re: Expecting twins - what are the costs of hiring help?

Thank you all for answering! So will be talking to my employer about 60-80% possibility. Hopefully, it will work out.
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Bonne chance - and enjoy your pregnancy, it is a precious time.


Please remember an Au-Pair is not a Nanny and is totally untrained. They are not supposed to have any time in sole charge of babies, and even with toddlers only should have sole charge for a maximum of 15 hours per week (eg half of their working maximum of 30 hours).
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Please remember an Au-Pair is not a Nanny and is totally untrained. They are not supposed to have any time in sole charge of babies, and even with toddlers only should have sole charge for a maximum of 15 hours per week (eg half of their working maximum of 30 hours).
Au-pair is mainly not an option, cause we don't have a spare room. And it does seem to be very complicated in Switzerland.
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Old 28.11.2011, 11:53
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However I believe that little babies up to two years require extra attention and they don't get that in a typical Swiss krippe. The krippe workers are on average 16 to 18 y.o. and have very little time for the youngest once since they are dealing with the older kids which require more supervision. I have seen it and I would not want that for my child.
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I owuld be careful about generalizing this.

It depends on the krippe models.

Both my children went to krippe as of 5-6 months and they have a baby group where they keep the babies separate from the toddlers.

They have may 6-8 babies with 3 carers, and yes some of them are 16-18 but honestly, they do not need to learn physics at that age, they want someone to cuddle them and wave some toys. When older, they want discipline and boundaries and the main teachers are there for that.

My 3 yo is a little independent girl and my boy is too young to see effects yet, but perfectly happy there.

Net, I think it really depends and mainly it also depends how cnfident you are in your choice as oyu will transmit that to the child.

On the rest: it honestly depends on your lifestyle, how much you like/need to work etc.

Both my husband and I chose to work as it helps us be more balanced parents and therefore we believe it is better for us. No one can make that choice for you unfortunaely!

Price wise: I think an experienced nanny will cost to you as an employer around 4500, so costs similar to krippe. In my opinion, this may be better until the children are older but as soon as they reach about 1, Iwould strongly consider krippe for the "group" experience. They learn so much from other kids, learn the rules of socializing etc.

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The reason why I am not in favor of a krippe anymore is that I think I could hire a certified nanny for the same money (assuming it is 3500-4000 CHF?) and spare my kids time being sick. I also think I better spend extra hour with them in the morning waiting for a nanny rather than getting them ready and driving them somewhere. Seems to be less stress for the same cost.

Now to actaully afford a nanny I would have to keep working at least 80%, which means little time for my babies , so I am also considering leaving job completely and hiring only minimal help around house or occasional babysitters, but my main worry in this case is that we won't cope financially.

That's why I am here asking for advice.
I am still eager to see any numbers on monthly child costs ... Did any of you out there calculate how much you pay for your happiness?
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At the end is your decision, I went back to work when my baby was 4 months old and it was frustrating, the baby was very unhappy in the nursery and I was very unhappy in my work, trying to BF and so on was nightmare that is why if I can choose again I will stay home with her and enjoy her for a year.... anyway being alone in CH with nobody to help is really hard... It depends in which company you work and how the approach to maternity have... I'm sure you can find a good nanny here but need to start now

I think 100 K is enough for you to stay at home but it depends in your expectations, I have spent in the first year around 8 k for the stuff for the baby including nappies, clothes, etc. If you have someone in the Uk clothes from primark are perfect and buy lots of them then you do not have to wash everyday.....
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However I believe that little babies up to two years require extra attention and they don't get that in a typical Swiss krippe. The krippe workers are on average 16 to 18 y.o. and have very little time for the youngest once since they are dealing with the older kids which require more supervision. I have seen it and I would not want that for my child.

In the US the little babies have their own rooms and are seperated from the toddlers, this is not the case here.
We specifically chose krippes where the babies and toddlers were not separated.

We looked at one where they were and whilst the toddlers were having one, all the babies were in a dark, dingy, windowless room.

Where they are all together, it's like one big family and with the two we have used, the atmosphere has been great with the babies getting loads of stimulus from hearing and seeing all the other activities that the older ones are enjoying.

Additionally, older brothers and sisters get to stay with their younger brothers and sisters throughout the day which I think is important as well.

I think both systems can work but it really depends on the krippe in question.
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Hi,

At the end is your decision, I went back to work when my baby was 4 months old and it was frustrating,
I would have found it impossible to go back to work when my son was 4 months, far too early especially breast feeding but at 6/7 months when they start solids and need less breast feeds it was easier

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Where they are all together, it's like one big family and with the two we have used, the atmosphere has been great with the babies getting loads of stimulus from hearing and seeing all the other activities that the older ones are enjoying.
This is why i like the mixed group. Im told my little boy much prefers playing with and watching the older kids play, i think he'd be bored if only all babies are together
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