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Old 01.12.2011, 12:24
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The notion, that you receive first class medical treatment here is definitely not the case.
Ok, tell me where it's better. And why heads of state, the likes of Steve Jobs etc. come to Switzerland for treatment, if healthcare sucks here.
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Old 01.12.2011, 12:28
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Ok, tell me where it's better. And why heads of state, the likes of Steve Jobs etc. come to Switzerland for treatment, if healthcare sucks here.
Because of a thing called "specialists". When my aunt got a rare case of cancer, she went to France because the most renowed specialist for that type of cancer was there. She didn't go because we don't have oncologists back home... Switzerland has some pretty good specialists in certain areas, which is not to say, though, the whole medical system is water proof.

In other cases it's because of a severe case of the fancies. It sounds so chic when you say you went to Switzerland to get treated! (I know cases of the fancies too...)
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Re: Hygiene at doctor's practice

I agree that latex gloves are not necessary for drawing blood, but hand washing and sanitising is essential. I would think that latex allergies and sensitisation are more of a concern for both patient and nurse, and manual dexterity is not great in nitrile or vinyl gloves.

Your average pair of latex gloves used in regular healthcare settings are not guaranteed sterile either. Their main role is as a barrier. Needles can go through latex but the act of penetration (behave!) also has a cleansing or wiping effect on the exterior of the needle, reducing but not eliminating risk.

A lot of concern about health and safety is based on perceived risk. We worry about cooks not wearing gloves but give little thought to the forks and spoons that go into our mouths, or the plates the food is put on. Those aren't sterile and in most cases aren't handled by someone wearing gloves.
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Old 01.12.2011, 12:31
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Re: Hygiene at doctor's practice

Gloves are only any 'good' if they are clean. It could be that seeing people wearing them leaves us in a fool's paradise.
And I always thought that the medical reason for wearing gloves for taking blood was not to protect the patient but the person doing the job -in case the blood was infected and a minor skin lesion on the hand of the medical person could allow them to pick up the nastiest things. Maybe I got it all wrong though.
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Old 01.12.2011, 12:32
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Old 01.12.2011, 12:34
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Re: Hygiene at doctor's practice

A couple of general remarks:

1. as was pointed out before: doctors and nurses don't wear gloves to protect the patient but to protect themselves. While I have never been treated by anyone not wearing gloves anywhere in Switzerland, this really isn't a danger to the patient (I'm talking about drawing blood here. There are many procedures where wearing gloves is indeed important for the wellbeing of the patient, of course).

2. I fail to see what wearing gloves in restaurants should do to promote better hygiene. Gloves can be just as dirty as skin. Unless the gloves are changed regularly (which I doubt they are anywhere on the planet), washing / disinfecting your hands before you touch food is just as effective.

3. I've had food poisoning three times in my life: once in the States (and I'm sure the person who prepared my food was wearing gloves...), once in Britain and once in Greece. While Greece would be a typical candidate for that topic, I really fail to see a pattern here. Considering that I spent 33 years of my life in Switzerland and never once had food poisoning here, I'd say hygiene standards are pretty good here. I only spent 2 years in the States (I did get sick within the first 2 weeks of arriving there, however) and only days in Greece and England, so go figure.
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Old 01.12.2011, 12:35
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Re: Hygiene at doctor's practice

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Just curious but why should gloves be worn to take a blood sample? It's not exactly a surgical procedure and the risk of any kind of contamination would be negligible. It's only a pin prick after all.

Are gloves in a non-sterile box somehow cleaner than a pair of washed hands?
It is for the nurses protection, in case she accidentally pinches or cut herself.

Gloves in non-sterile box are, well.... non sterile, but in general cleaner than washed hands. Even washed hands carry a lot of potential pathogens, unless they are washed with bactericide and dried with a laminar air flow.

I was a bit surprised when I read the OP entry. I am not sure what the protocol is in CH for handling blood samples, but what you described is not acceptable in most part of the civilized world. Personally, I find the medical professionals in CH being particularly fastidious with clean room and sterile conditions. For a while, I worked with dental professionals, and the Swiss where the ones to go over the roof when the other professionals didn't comply with hygiene and safety measures (and very picky at it). I don't remember even a nurse or a doctor who didn't wear gloves when handling blood samples.

It is not likely that you will suffer from it. As longs as the procedure are was disinfected before and after, and the instruments were sterile, the risk of contamination are very low. It was not pretty, but you will survive. My strong recommendation would be to change practice. In any case, it would be advisable to draw the attention of the doctor for this. Maybe the nurse just go sloppy and lazy with the years, and need a refreshment course.
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5.) Anually, you shake hands with 3 men who have masturbated and failed to wash their hands
See? Here's the proof that cheek kisses are better than hand shakes. Except when the man in question and ingressed in some oral and... OMG... I need some bleach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Switzerland has some pretty good specialists in certain areas, which is not to say, though, the whole medical system is water proof.
I personally have never seen a better health-care system anywhere in the world. There are some simple rules to follow, however, in Switzerland:

1. don't choose an HMO or GP-model with your health-care provider. Most general practitioners (as is the case all over the planet, if you ask me) don't know squat.

2. make sure you have the option of free choice of hospitals in your health-care plan. As pretty much everywhere, small regional hospitals aren't up to the same standards as, say, university clinics. If you happen to live in a rural canton, it's essential that you have the choice to go elsewhere.
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Old 01.12.2011, 12:40
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I'd say #5 is a gross underestimate.
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I've come to the point of preferring to buy industrially packaged cheese and meat...
You list Italian as your language and Venice is your user ID.

But that appears to be your only connection with Italy.

No Italian I know has your attitude to food !
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Re: Hygiene at doctor's practice

Oddly enough, I always thought that healthcare workers tended to wear gloves to protect them from you rather than the other way around...

edit: oops - I see Vicladyuk beat me to it.
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Oddly enough, I always thought that healthcare workers tended to wear gloves to protect them from you rather than the other way around...
If a nurse manages to stab herself when she's attempting to take a blood sample from you, the least of your worries is whether she's wearing gloves...
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I'd say #5 is a gross underestimate.
All depends on how many wankers you know. In certain industries, I'm sure the number is a lot higher.
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I'm a bit concerned about a hygiene issue. in the short time I've lived here I couldn't help but notice (as confirmed by other EF threads) that certain basic and elsewhere accepted norms seem not to apply in switzerland
The norms..? hmmm..

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Can we get back on topic please? Either that or you could all pop off and get some lunch while this off-topic thread slips off the front page of the New Posts.
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Re: Hygiene at doctor's practice

I wear latex gloves when I work on my bikes (most of the time, for really delicate stuff I take them off), but that is to keep my hands clean and free from contamination with fuel, oil, and solvents!

I wouldn't ever use them for cooking, not even when dicing up chiles.

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I personally have never seen a better health-care system anywhere in the world.
I have to disagree there. Personally, the doctors I came in contact with were very polite. Professionally, they were under average or borderline incompetent.

And the high fee for the insurance I pay gave me nothing... So yah...
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I'd say #5 is a gross underestimate.
Number 5 is a sexist statement! Think about it. No need for pictures, thank you.
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This concerns me much more than wearing gloves for cooking or taking blood samples...
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