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Old 09.02.2012, 19:36
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Re: Are the Swiss intolerant of kids?

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And then there are those of us who have one calm and serene child and one who is the complete opposite of calm and serene
if this rule applies, it should mean our next one (due from next week) is nice and serene...number one is a defiance of the laws of thermodynamics - she only consumes 1,000 calories a day, if that, yet must burn at least 16,000...
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if this rule applies, it should mean our next one (due from next week) is nice and serene...number one is a defiance of the laws of thermodynamics - she only consumes 1,000 calories a day, if that, yet must burn at least 16,000...
Best wishes for a calm and serene child! I have to admit it's nice to have at least one of those
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Re: Are the Swiss intolerant of kids?

I have experienced in my 16 years in Switzerland (and parent to 2 children) an extreme intolerance to children specially from childless couples (from their 30's to over 70's). In some cases it was a frustrated parents' desire, in others a self-desition not to have children. And this is a quite common case.
But also from parents I have wittnessed several times a very cold and extreme demanding attitude. On my opinion too much is expected from children. A child at the first years of elementary school will learn not to normally sneeze, but make some kind of "implossion" (sneezing with your mouth shut and pinching your nose close). Children are to be seen, and not heard. "Foreigners'" children are often mocked, as noisy ("like italians, like gypsies") by the prototypical "alte Tante" or any person, given the case.
This does not mean that there are many persons sensible, friendly and empathic to children, but in my opinion there is definitely a tendency to intolerance. Consider for instance that children will be classified with 12 years, to attend secondary school class A, B or C, or going to the Gymnasium, and this will in great part determine their future life.

German swiss teachers are another full subject in itself. Many are extremely authoritarian I mean this also in terms of tendency.
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Re: Are the Swiss intolerant of kids?

there will always be strange ones out and about who absolutely have no patience for children or the buggy prams... was in the tram to town and while i was trying to manuever my pram into a corner (there was already a big dog and 2 prams and a walking aid in the carriage) and i said excuse me (in german... maybe i didnt pronounce it right) and the lady ignored me and and the edge of my pram front wheels touched the edge of her walking cane and she started shouting at me saying i should have waiting for the next tram and how i should have folded my pram and how as a foreigner i should learn to speak proper german and that why should i be special and that sorta thing...its just utterly bizarre... must be a bad hair day i dont know......but at the same time.... an old man on the other side of my seat was more than happy to smile and make faces at my 8 month old baby! you meet a mixture of characters... adds colors to your day
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she started shouting at me saying i should have waiting for the next tram and how i should have folded my pram and how as a foreigner i should learn to speak proper german and that why should i be special and that sorta thing...
In such cases, I just say to the person "You are perfectly right, absolutely, I totally agree, this is so true..." and do as I please anyway.
If you are a nice person who happens to need to get onto a tram with a pram with no intention to use it as a weapon of ankle-destruction, I am on your side.
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Re: Are the Swiss intolerant of kids?

in my experience, the Swiss don't treat foreign kids any differently than they treat their own. even the locals who insist on disliking foreigners reserve their disdain for the parents who bring the kids here, but we've always found those few folks to be great with our kids.

the education system here is certainly different than back home, but we've come across lots of great young men and women who did not go the gymnasium route and who don't seem for one minute to feel like they've been shortchanged or treated with intolerance. if anything, I actually feel for the kids who end up going the gymnasium route, the drive and focus on achievement is very intense and their immediate circle of available friends is only 1/5th of their age group.
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Re: Are the Swiss intolerant of kids?

honestly it was an accident... she refused to budge.. and i tried to manuever the pram as much as i could to avoid anybody's feet LOL... :P that with handbag and a few bags of groceries... oh and did i mention the tram door closed with the pram in the middle of the entrance with everyone just looking? but anyway... we all space out every now and then..

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In such cases, I just say to the person "You are perfectly right, absolutely, I totally agree, this is so true..." and do as I please anyway.
If you are a nice person who happens to need to get onto a tram with a pram with no intention to use it as a weapon of ankle-destruction, I am on your side.
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