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Old 09.03.2012, 09:08
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

Some of the really posh private boarding schools in the French part do have school uniforms, but nor quite like in the UK, it's usually a sweater and/or a jacket they are wearing as some sort of uniform, the rest is individual.

Oh, and the Montana on Zugerberg has school uniforms for their elementary school.
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

By themselves in isolation school uniforms are a good idea. However the problem arises when achievements are displayed on the Blazer. Let's face it, achievements are good and build up confidence etc but taken too far it can show the wealth of a child or result in a race to be the most politically correct child. Furthmore the child with the most achievement badges can view this as power over the children without badges. I dont know of any scholl with blazers which didn't fall into this trap.

I went to a private school with suits as the uniform and this is what happened.

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First you express a need to protect personal freedoms and then you make an argument for conforming so that you aren't exposed to someone's personal tastes?
Kidding, just kidding (also if I see a legal problem in imposing uniforms) ...


Of course kids try to find a way to be provocative, and sure they will mock using clothes as a pretest, and they do the same thing maybe with hair cuts, accents, parents' cars, even eye colour and height ... normally once they got their "test" result and knowing each other better, they stop.
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

Kidding, just kidding (also if I see a legal problem in imposing uniforms) ...




How on earth is there a legal problem for imposing uniforms?


When I was younger, ofcourse I hated uniforms as well, growing up I saw the benefits of it. No one needs to feel different and it is not a fashion show dialy but focus is on studies and character building not on how much some one owes.
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

If some children are going to snub your child simply because of the clothes that they wear, do you really want them developing friendships with children that are so shallow and vapidly judgemental? I'd rather they hung around the 'less popular/not-so-chic' kids and learned how to make and keep friendships than to learn how to buy them by being 'fashionable'. If they still want to hang around these kids, tell them they can earn money by doing work to buy any additional clothes they feel are necessary to 'fit in'.
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I see now that at least everyone was "the same" and nobody was judged by wearing the wrong shoes or not having THE name brand shirt.
I had the exact same experiences as a child and looking back now, I feel the same. It was better with a uniform because it was standard, not too expensive and no competition with regard to who has the best clothes.

In my own childhood if I wanted new clothes, Mum would always take us to Primark or C&A. Christmas and Birthdays were ofcourse a lot different when it came to clothes stores but then we learned if we wanted something better we had to save for it. It'll make them appreciate the value of money a lot more.
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How on earth is there a legal problem for imposing uniforms?
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It's the thing with Constitution, personal freedom and free expression articles.

You cannot easily force free citizens in oppressive clothing orders. I mean it's not the army.


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No one needs to feel different and it is not a fashion show dialy but focus is on studies and character building not on how much some one owes.
I don't know where you have been growing up;

but in normal (and here I really mean "normal") circumstances kids do not constantly get laughes by their mates for being badly, poorly or whatever dressed. This problem does not really exist, and honestly I don't think that even if it does randomly exist somewhere that expats (i.e. the richer part of Switzerland's population) suffer particularly from it.


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If some children are going to snub your child simply because of the clothes that they wear, do you really want them developing friendships with children that are so shallow and vapidly judgemental?
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They don't mean it, they just 'pretend' to be. Maybe by copying adults' stereotypes.

If it were a constant continuing thing however, I would think about maybe changing ambiente. Maybe going away from Montagnola and Sorengo could be of help.


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If they still want to hang around these kids, tell them they can earn money by doing work to buy any additional clothes they feel are necessary to 'fit in'.
Always keen on money, right? What is this, Baptists' law?

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Old 09.03.2012, 13:10
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It's the thing with Constitution, personal freedom and free expression articles.
You might want to think about that one a little further. If I, as an employer, set dress code rules and you fail to follow them, I can fire you US Constitution or not. And it's not just the military. Schools can also keep you from wearing clothes that do not fit their rules, e.g. gang colors, clothes with racist/sexist/vulgar statements, etc.
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You might want to think about that one a little further.
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I didn't think about it at all;

I have just been picking it up from the controversial situation in many Roman-law-countries, Switzerland included.

And it may also work out where nobody brings it into a legal court procedure, but it might become very nasty if it does.


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If I, as an employer, set dress code rules and you fail to follow them, I can fire you US Constitution or not. And it's not just the military. Schools can also keep you from wearing clothes that do not fit their rules, e.g. gang colors, clothes with racist/sexist/vulgar statements, etc.
I wasn't talking US, but Europe.

And you cannot make your employees wear what you want as an employer.

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I would like to know what everything thinks about school uniforms?

Back home we all had to wear uniforms, each day the same thing. Sure as kid you hate it and wish to wear what you want but that point of view changes when you get older. I see now that at least everyone was "the same" and nobody was judged by wearing the wrong shoes or not having THE name brand shirt.
Even when I had to wear school uniform I appreciated it*; no decisions as to what to wear each morning, everyone much the same etc.

However, that does not stop all comparisons (rules will say Black trousers, but not more than that - so price ranges/brands can vary immensely).

* except the damned maroon (yes that colour!) blazer...
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Old 09.03.2012, 14:30
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

We had to wear school uniforms at infant, junior and senior schools.
For sure it was expensive, especially as I was one of 4 boys.
The blazer not only had to be the regulation colour but also had to be a specific material. Even in senior school we had matching tie and handkerchief . . .er, I mean cap.
Any deviation from the wearing of uniform in the correct manner (and I mean ties properly presented . . not the stubby thing that is worn now) was subject to punishment.
I remember one notable occasion in particular - it was a very hot summer day and during the headmaster`s address at the morning assembly - we were stunned when he announced that `During the current exceptionally hot weather, boys will be allowed to undo their top shirt button - although ties must remain worn` . . . .
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

Well Bucentaure seems you really dont think much at all do you.

But that is fine. The Constitution has nothing to do with imposing on uniforms in schools. Hate to break it to you but there are private schools in US where kids wear uniforms as well.

And it is very NORMAL to wear uniforms and same goes for if you do not.
Dont know where you grew up but seems like you got teased a lot
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If some children are going to snub your child simply because of the clothes that they wear, do you really want them developing friendships with children that are so shallow and vapidly judgemental?
umm.. NO, I would rather they leave my kid alone actually!!

that is exactly why I started this thread, to know what to do against it as the last I want is her running around racing up a credit bill just to fit in. I believe clothes should be practical and not have half her body sticking out and freezing. How often have I seen young girls in towns with hardly anything on going to school - I wonder if they go to learn something or if they are on a model parade.

Silly question but how is it with boys? As I just have girls my thoughts are with them and sadly I forget about what the boys must go through. Is it the same or are they less demanding?
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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

and an employer can very well enforce what he or she wants his employees to wear. Not in the sense of wearing revealing or racy outfits, but covering up and suiting up or looking professional to represent the image of the company. I have no problem in conforming to that and if one does not agree with what his or her employer sets as a dress code, I am sure that person is not going to be working there very long.
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umm.. NO, I would rather they leave my kid alone actually!!
Tell her to ignore it and not react to it and it will go away. Bullies (male and female) crave an audience and a reaction. If you give them neither, the go where the hunting is better.

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Silly question but how is it with boys? As I just have girls my thoughts are with them and sadly I forget about what the boys must go through. Is it the same or are they less demanding?
Boys don't care. Also, my parents taught me to think for myself and not be a pawn of others. There are plenty of good kids out there that your children can befriend and enjoy without having to deal with 'trauma' of not being fashion forward.
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and an employer can very well enforce what he or she wants his employees to wear. Not in the sense of wearing revealing or racy outfits, but covering up and suiting up or looking professional to represent the image of the company.
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Will very much depend upon the question if dresses are considered (by Swiss authorities, not by foreign companies) to be as operatively necessary and if this doesn't enter in conflict with further legal questions (what's employees' dress code in swinger clubs, e.g.?).



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that is exactly why I started this thread, to know what to do against it as the last I want is her running around racing up a credit bill just to fit in. I believe clothes should be practical and not have half her body sticking out and freezing. How often have I seen young girls in towns with hardly anything on going to school - I wonder if they go to learn something or if they are on a model parade.

Silly question but how is it with boys? As I just have girls my thoughts are with them and sadly I forget about what the boys must go through. Is it the same or are they less demanding?
How about letting them dress what and how they want, so that they're at ease and don't feel uncomfortable when they are at school?
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How about letting them dress what and how they want, so that they're at ease and don't feel uncomfortable when they are at school?
What if they 'feel' they 'uneasy' and 'uncomfortable' unless they are wearing the latest fashions instead of what you can reasonably afford given how long they'll wear them?
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What if they 'feel' they 'uneasy' and 'uncomfortable' unless they are wearing the latest fashions instead of what you can reasonably afford given how long they'll wear them?
I wouldn't make a question of principles out of it, but rather suggest: Simply don't buy them expensive clothes.

But consider that not all what is expensive is good (or looks good) and not all fancy and good looking stuff must be expensive.

If the problem persists, try to find out why (ambiente, maybe something in education and passing values didn't work out fine).

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Re: School Uniforms, good or bad?

Here at our university we have business dress code which can be interpretted in many different ways for diff nationalities.

Russian style here means you like like a stripper where as in Russia it might be elegant.

I wish we had dresscode so I wouldnt have to insult people every day and making them feel like idiots who are un able to put on a suit......I HATE IT and am all for uniforms.....
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Russian style here means you like like a stripper where as in Russia it might be elegant.
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Actually Russians dress very well, the problem is that they sometimes overdo it by much.

Americans are the opposite.

Britons wear strange things, Maggie-Thatcher-stuff, Queen's dress ... .

And you recognize them all from miles away.


But this is a cute thing, isn't it?
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