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Re: not-so-expensive daycare for 2 year old in Zürich

From an article in the 'Geneva Home Information' newspaper on Wednesday;

"A place in a public crèche in the City of Geneva costs a total of 3,850 francs a month (not including any rental costs).
From this is deducted the price paid by the parents (10% of the total family income... with a ceiling of 1,750 francs pcm).

So, a family with a monthly income of 7,000 francs pays 700 francs, the remaining 3150 being covered by the tax-payer. A couple with a monthly income of 25,000 francs (pay the ceiling price of 1750 and) are therefore receiving a subsidy of 2,100 francs pcm.
A second child from the same family will receive a discount of 50%.

At this price, why not either remove the ceiling, or subsidise parents who are obliged to cumulate two salaries to live decently?"

I personally thought these figures interesting as for a private crèche or day-care nanny the price in Geneva is much higher!
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Old 16.03.2012, 18:10
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It must limit the dreams and careers of many girls here though. No wonder the Swiss need to import so many skilled foreigners - their brightest aren't encouraged to work in their best working years. A colleague's girl said that when she grew up she could only be a mummy, but her brothers could be anything they wanted.
That would break my heart if I heard my own daughter, or anyone else's, say something like that.
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At this price, why not either remove the ceiling, or subsidise parents who are obliged to cumulate two salaries to live decently?"
There are enough subsidies in the Socialist Republic of Geneva as it is.
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There are enough subsidies in the Socialist Republic of Geneva as it is.
That was part of the quote from the article, not necessarily my own opinion....
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That was part of the quote from the article, not necessarily my own opinion....
I know. But really, with 5% of the contributors accounting for 50% of the tax budget some people think we should have even more subsidies - that baffles me.
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I know. But really, with 5% of the contributors accounting for 50% of the tax budget some people think we should have even more subsidies - that baffles me.
Oh, agreed, it baffles me too. Said slightly bitterly; as a 'middle-income family' we never seemed to qualify for anything!

If you both want to work and have children then surely one of the things you have to budget for is childcare?

My eldest son is in the position of paying a lot more than the higher rate quoted in the article for child care each month (there are simply no places avaliable in the public crèches), but he pays it 'happily' as his wife choses to work. They've simply cut back on other things like meals out and holidays. They know it's only for a few years anyway and they're quite prepared to 'invest' in their child's future this way.

If there are subsidies then they should be for all, not the lucky few who manage to get a place in a Ville de Geneve crèche.
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Old 16.03.2012, 19:29
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I personally thought these figures interesting as for a private crèche or day-care nanny the price in Geneva is much higher!
A private creche needs to (a) pay market rents, usually to private sector landlords, (b) turn a profit.
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A private creche needs to (a) pay market rents, usually to private sector landlords, (b) turn a profit.
Surely public ones also have to pay rent? In Geneva that's often in a privately-owned building due to lack of suitable space elsewhere, the cited cost of 3850 francs per child per month excludes rent.
The main difference in cost is that in the public crèche the places are subsidised to the tune of 2-3,000 francs a month, the private ones aren't. Unless you're lucky and get help from your employers.
I don't have a source for figures in Zurich (for example), but I'm sure they're similar.
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Re: not-so-expensive daycare for 2 year old in Zürich

The cost (not the price) for a Krippe spot is between 2'000 and 2'500 CHF/month regardless of if private or public. On top of that, a private Krippe needs to make a small profit to be able to build reserves.

So the figure 3'850 CHF/month is incorrect. I know you got it from the paper but it is incorrect :-)

In Zürich, the city gives subsidies to all Krippes, not only public ones (there are very few "public" Krippes in Zürich). They don't give general subsidies to the Krippes though. Instead they subsidise a number of spots which then the parents can apply for.


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Surely public ones also have to pay rent? In Geneva that's often in a privately-owned building due to lack of suitable space elsewhere, the cited cost of 3850 francs per child per month excludes rent.
The main difference in cost is that in the public crèche the places are subsidised to the tune of 2-3,000 francs a month, the private ones aren't. Unless you're lucky and get help from your employers.
I don't have a source for figures in Zurich (for example), but I'm sure they're similar.
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The cost (not the price) for a Krippe spot is between 2'000 and 2'500 CHF/month regardless of if private or public. On top of that, a private Krippe needs to make a small profit to be able to build reserves.

So the figure 3'850 CHF/month is incorrect. I know you got it from the paper but it is incorrect :-)

In Zürich, the city gives subsidies to all Krippes, not only public ones (there are very few "public" Krippes in Zürich). They don't give general subsidies to the Krippes though. Instead they subsidise a number of spots which then the parents can apply for.
Not necessarily, this will include the cost of staff, materials, food, electricity, etc. Also initial start-up expenses.
3,850 chf is quoted as the cost to the tax-payer, not the price paid by the client.
2-2,500 chf would be around the price of private childcare in a small crèche in Geneva.
Somehow costs are always higher when it's a publicly run 'business'.
IF the paper corrects itself next week, I'll get back to you....
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These are crazy prices, it's not really expensive here, in Suisse Romande. I couldn't imagine paying 100 + francs a day - for childcare! Is this special private childcare, that you're talking about, not like a normal créche or maman du hour/tagesmutter?
Here it is calculated by salary, so it's fair... is it different in Zürich? Finding it hard to believe it's so expensive!
Yes but then again in Geneva you pay much more taxes vs Zurich thorugh which the social system is financed so it all evens out in the end....


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Yes but then again in Geneva you pay much more taxes vs Zurich thorugh which the social system is financed so it all evens out in the end....


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Yeah but it is fair because those who pay more get less...
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