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International School in Rolle ?

I've heard that a new international school is being built in Rolle, Vaud. Does anyone have any info on this? When is the school expected to be operational?
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Old 20.12.2007, 23:39
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Well, I've finally found out what this is all about.

It is true that there is some interest in building a new international school. It would be in the Morges area, not Rolle. An organisation named SABIS is in the process of canvassing opinion to see whether there would be sufficient support to start up a new international school.

The Vaud Development authority (the DEV) recently hosted an event attended by representatives of companies resident in the area at which SABIS presented their plans and provided some background on themselves.

As an example of what might be achieved SABIS pointed at the Intenrational School of Frankfurt. That is a school that they started 12 years ago with 65 kids. The school now has a state of the art building with swimming pool etc and caters for over 1000 children. They would intend to do the same thing in the Morges area and were looking for "founding fathers" to invest in the school. The plan to be operational (albeit from temporary accommodation) in Sept 08.

Anyway, I sound like an advert for SABIS (definitely not my intention - I have no connection other than I attended their presentation). I wonder whether anyone has any feedback on this organisation and any thoughts on the subject?

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Re: International School in Rolle ?

I don't know anything about this particular school.

I do know a little about SABIS from talking to a teacher who used to work in this system. It features a very prescribed curriculum and very frequent testing at all levels. There are advantages and disadvantages to this kind of education and I guess it is up to parents to decide what they want for their children (if they can afford to choose.) The SABIS system would be very different for example to the International Baccalaureate PYP/MYP/DP system used in many international schools in Switzerland, so as a parent it would be worth researching teaching and learning in the different systems thoroughly. (Swimming pools etc. are a separate issue and fairly independent of curriculum.)

Also worth noting that some international schools are run by private companies while others are non-profits run by boards elected from parents. I'm not trying to say one is better than the other (not in this post, anyway -- I certainly have an opinion on the subject!) but again, it is worth informing yourself about the differences.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Thanks for the reply Wednesday. I may have the opportunity to visit the SABIS International School of Frankfurt in the next couple of months. It will be interesting to see their teachings methods.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hello,

Has anyone heard any more about the new SABIS school which is scheduled to be set up near Morges. I understand it is due to open this September from the previous comments here . I have found out they plan to start with 60 children. But apart from that all seems very quiet on this one. I am still in the UK due to move later this year so do not have access to any local papers etc. Any news most welcome. Thank you very much . Kate
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Re: International School in Morges

Hi KateB

My understanding is that it is still the intention to go ahead with building the school. The organisers are meeting with interested sponsor companies in March for a definitive meeting to get their final commitment.

The school would be sited in the area near Morges. It would open in Sep 08. They would start construction of the school building as soon as possible whilst at the same time operating out of temporary facilities on an adjacent piece of land.

If you want to get an idea of what the school might be like, visit the International School of Frankfurt website http://www.isf-net.de/ I think the intention is replicate the Frankfurt school.

One thing that I learned is that it is not SABIS that are planning to build the school. The school will be built by the organisation that run the Frankfurt school using funds provided by sponsors. The school building is actually owned by a company that will be set up for the purpose. SABIS are then contracted by the company to come in and run the teaching programme at the school.

I visited the Frankfurt school and was comfortable with what I saw. I thought it was well run and the pupils looked happy. They have great facilities, nice classrooms and good extracurricular activities.

I think this meeting in March is the "crunch" meeting. If they get the sponsors they need and they get the deal they need on the land at Colombiere then the school project will get the green light.

One extra thing to add: I initially had my doubts about children working out of "portacabins" until the school building is built. I guess I based that on preconceived ideas of rickety old leaky portacabins. However, during my tour of the Frankfurt school I saw one of their leftover portacabins that they still use and this thing just looks like a big two storey building. You wouldn't really know it was a temporary building. I can see how this could work.

I'm not sure about the figure of 60 as the starting figure. I think they just want to get as many as they can. I know that they opened the Frankfurt school with 65 pupils so maybe that's where the figure came from. (The Franfurt school now has 1000 students).

Anyway, I believe that there is good interest from local employers so this school project has a good chance of actually happening - well, hey that's what they told me !

Hope that helps.
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Old 08.02.2008, 10:14
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Thank you SO MUCH for this information and responding so quickly. I really appreciate it. I would thank you officially but as a new comer to this forum have no idea how to do so. I will wait with baited breath to see what the outcome is in March. I was most reassured about your visit to ISF. I do have concerns about SABIS and all thier testing but if the children were happy, well that is more important. Thank you. Kate
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Re: International School in Morges

You're welcome. I share your anxieties. It is SO important to find good schools for your children.

Re the constant testing:

The ISF school director said that this something that parents always ask about. Apparently the children get used to the testing from an early age and it just becomes part of their routine. It enables the teachers to identify areas the child might need extra coaching on. I was told that it does not stress the kids out. It seems to be sold as something positive in that, when it then comes time for the kids to do some real external exams, they're pretty used to testing and are not phased by the whole experience. Once again, this is what they tell me and I don't really have any way of verifying it. But the kids seem happy. I asked one child if he enjoyed the school and he was very positive about it.

I did see some after school classes where pupils were being given extra coaching - e.g. in handwriting. I also saw many of the afterschool sports activities like dance, swimming, and football. (The swimming pool is great !) We had the opportunity to speak at length to one of the teachers there and it was clear that she very much enjoyed her job. Her classroom looked good. Lots of displays. She marks her children's work. (hey compared to my children's current state school in the UK this is a big deal). Very organised curriculum. The children sit at their own desks.

I've tried searching the web for feedback on SABIS but there's not that much out there.

I guess my concerns are around the start up phase. How do we know that they will get good quality teachers in? Supposing they only get a handful of pupils in a particular year group? Will they mix them with an older or younger class? I was told that this would not happen. If there are only two children in a class then that's the way it is. They are pretty confident that they will easily be able to grow the pupil numbers.

I'll let you know when I hear anymore.

Can I ask if your employer is thinking of investing in the school?
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hi, thank you for your response and further information. Yes the company is planning to support the school if it is set up. You read my mind about the class set up. I would not want the age groups to be mixed . A handful of children per teacher does have it's appeal after 30 in a class I have to say. Yes ours are in the state system too. We also are in a Grammar school county so they will inevitably have to cope with the dreaded 11,12 13 + test probably at some point. Perhaps SABIS testing might help as long as it is diagnostic and not used to threaten or rank the children...I am not sure . Teacher friends think it will be a useful tool to check up on the new teachers also. It will give them clear targets and standards. I heard from someone who sent their son to the Geneva English School when it was set up. They said it was fantastic being small and new.
Thank you again for all your info and sharing your experience of ISF with me. Will let you know if I hear anymore. Off to check out schools over half term.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hello, i just read your message and its just to let you know that there is a new private school opening in rolle as of September 2008 - La Côte International School (LCIS). it will mainly be an english based taught school and will take pupils aged 3-11 and in 2010 will move to A-One Business Center in rolle and will take students up to the age of 18.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Thank you for this valuable information. I have just returned from Switzerland and I was at ISM part of the organisation who are opening the new school only this Tuesday. I met with the Director. I was VERY impressed with ISM and him. If the new La Cote school is anything like ISM it looks most promising. I guess the issue is how quickly can they get it up and running. Also how will they group the children and teachers? I believe there will be some offical announcements and information by the end of March.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

hello, yeah i dont know much more than that yet ( i live in rolle when im not at uni and thus get to hear a reasonable amount of what goes on). hope you can find a good school.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

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Sorry for asking, but who are ISM? Haven't heard of them.

Is this a different school to the SABIS school? So we are talking about two new International schools starting up in the Rolle / Morges area?

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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hello All,

interesting comments, currently at ISG, not great but better than what is currently out there, which is not saying much.

I did a web search on SABIS, highly recommend you do the same for this or for any other school you are considering. And search not just by name but add complaints agsint or problems with.

Regarding SABIS, the reviews are mixed, they were kicked out or asked to leave from a few cities in the US, a number of angry paretns and school administrators, there is a group of students who have posted re their school in Egypt or Lebanon, they are quite angry with it. Rigidity and traditional teaching is what I seem to interpret, having said this another post shows some positives in terms of increased test results at one school. So, on balance more negative than pos, If you are invovled in this, hope you look carefully beofer you jump.

LCIS does not seem to have any info posted as of yet. Also, heard rumours of yet another Intl school that may be opneing for Sept.

OK so my assessment, schools in the area are mediocore to poor by north american private school standards, at least in the north east. So, I do not hold out much hope for anything good coming along.

Sent my kids to the local school a few years ago, what a nightmare, talk about rigidity, and narrowminded thinking.

Anyway gotta run kids are home and the food needs to be prepared.... good luck and sorry to be sounding so negative.

Julie

Oh, ISM is international school of minnesota, I think that is what I found. Anywya do a search for information.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hello again,

i looked up ISM, there is a SABIS ISM, but there is another ISM located close to Chatel St Denis, not related. This is the school that is looking to open up in Rolle, the LCIS. Go to Tribune de geneve and type in ROlle school.

My opinion new LCIS, well i have friend of mine who is a school inspector in East Midlands UK, when I have told her about the schools in this area that use the UK curriculum, she laughs, since the UK is trying to make substantive changes to it, in factsome schools now have permission to abandon it and develop their own for approval... And guess what ISM uses, yep the same program that is being tossed in the bin in the UK.

I also found some more about SABIS, it comes from a discussion in Massachusettes about whether or not to start a SABIS school.

Information about the SABIS track record has not shown the success that the applicant would have you believe.
History of legal problems with SABIS.
SABIS model ignores current research on learning and is contradictory to the tenets of the Massachusetts Education Reform Act of 1993.

Since we are here, we have lowered our expectations, a lot. We do at home activities and tell our kids not to take their school to seriously. I found life is far saner this way than expecting any changes from these archaic institutions.

Hope your experinces are better,
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hi

ISM is the International School of Mont-de-Corsier just above Vevey. www.international-school.org
This one I did really like. It had great chatacter and was quite unique. They said they took the best of the UK curriculum and adapted and added as they thought fit. I saw a lot of work around the school and I was impressed. The children were very happy and relaxed and at this age I felt that was equally as important. We too are thoroughly spolit with fantastic private schools in the UK. This one was not as well equiped as some but it was special.
This would be the other school to SABIS in the area if it/they go ahead around Rolle and Morge.

Thank you for insights into SABIS. SABIS scares the hell out of me and think we will avoid it at all costs.

There are meetings "happening" in March which will confirm if these two schools will be opening or not.

So we all watch this space.....
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Thanks for clarifying the ISM,

i did some more digging, there is an article in the tribune re: ISM or LCIS. The article made it look as though it was going ahead. A little concerned that it is located in an office building, though with space at a premium I guess there are little options. At least sounds better than what I found on SABIS.

Also, I am checking with some contacts about rumours of yet another school that is planning to open this fall. From what I have heard, they are going in somewhere between Lausanne and Geneva, have major coorporate sponsorship and a connection with ISG (Intl School Geneva).

If true, and I am suspicous considering ISG is in the midst of other big projects, then I am not sure how well it will be run, they can't even manage what they have now... the stories are just so incredible, sounding gossipy I realize but even if they are just half true...

well, meeting with friends this week to see if there is any truth to this rumour.
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

KateB and JulieT, thanks for the updates.

I will try and find out what happened at the SABIS crunch meeting with the corporate investors that took place in Lausanne. Haven't yet heard any feedback from my people so I will ask.

Re SABIS, the google searches that I did threw up some negative commentary about the amount of regular testing that they put their pupils through. When I spoke to the ISF director about this she defended the policy on the basis that the kids get used to it and when the important exams come along it's no big deal. Also she explained that the rigid curriculum where every teacher knows in advance exactly what is going to be taught in each lesson of the school term means that the teachers can concentrate on the teaching and not on the lesson planning and admin that takes up so many other teachers' time in other on-SABIS schools.

The impression I got from my visit to ISF is definitely at odds with that created by the negative internet reports. Having said that, I was not able to talk to any children about daily life at ISF or their opinions of the continuous testing. But it did look like a vibrant, happy, modern school.

I will look out for news of the ISM school at Rolle.

By the way, I applied to ISL and ISG in Nov 07 to have my two children commence in Sep 08. I have received notifications from both of them telling me that I do not have any hope of getting them in for the Sep 08 start. Sep 09 might be more realistic.

I guess that, unless your employer is Nestle, Philip Morris, Tetrapak or Logitech (the main ISL sponsors) there is no hope !

Oh well.....
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Re: International School in Rolle ?

It's been great to read up on the possiblity of new international school(s) in the Morges/Rolle area. We've been here for 4 years and my daughter has been in both local and international schools. We live north of Morges and the commute at the moment to the Geneva area is a killer (we will not do it next year). I've been told basically the same thing by ISL - no spaces for next year, so am really interested in the decision by SABIS.

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Re: International School in Rolle ?

Hi LeCheminet

Out of interest (at the risk of going off-thread here), what are your impressions/experiences of local Swiss school v International school?

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