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Old 22.08.2012, 00:06
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Can't you just keep having babies and sell them to Madonna or something?
No, no, no, not Madonna; remember that there's no dad in that equation since Ashton has left her for the younger set. it's Brangelina you are looking for.
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Old 22.08.2012, 00:16
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No, no, no, not Madonna; remember that there's no dad in that equation since Ashton has left her for the younger set. it's Brangelina you are looking for.
Wasn't Ashton with Demi Moore? Madonna was married to Guy Ritchie.... I've no idea why I know this.....

Are we off topic yet?

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Old 22.08.2012, 00:22
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Wasn't Ashton with Demi Moore? Madonna was married to Guy Ritchie.... I've no idea why I know this.....

Are we off topic yet?
Ah, yes, you are right. Ashton, Bruce, Guy, Sean, whoever?

I don't know whether to be ashamed or proud that my pop culture knowledge is crap.

And I think we definitely are off-topic.
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Old 22.08.2012, 00:36
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Re: Tubal ligation vs. vasectomy

Not that I want to scare anyone, but if my memory serves me correctly someone wrote a horror story a few years ago in EF...aah, there it is:

What happens when a Routine Operation goes wrong?
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Old 22.08.2012, 08:51
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Not that I want to scare anyone, but if my memory serves me correctly someone wrote a horror story a few years ago in EF...aah, there it is:

What happens when a Routine Operation goes wrong?
You'll find more stories about pregnancies gone wrong
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Old 22.08.2012, 11:31
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OK I see what you mean. But if you look at stats, the risks involved in normal pregnancy and of course emergency ceasarian are large already. The risks of anything going wrong with a GA and tubal ligations, as compared to vasectomy, are way higher than the very rare complications with the latter- however unpleasant they may be.

The Pill is not a lifelong solution, as it has lots of risks attached too. Many women can't stand the coil. There are few if none good contraceptive solutions for a lifetime.
Agree with most of these points.

A vasectomy has less risk and is less invasive than a tubal ligation. The Pill is not a lifelong solution--fair enough, I'm familiar with long term use, but I'll take your word for it. But I disagree with the argument that men should have a vasectomy because their women 'can't stand the coil'. I'm all about fairness, sharing and equality, but if my SO wants me to undergo surgery because 'she can't stand something', she's definitely a quick kick to the curb.
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Old 22.08.2012, 11:45
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if my SO wants me to undergo surgery because 'she can't stand something', she's definitely a quick kick to the curb.
I don't think that Odile was talking about women who simply don't like the coil here but women who actually cannot use it and/or have severe side effects.
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Old 22.08.2012, 11:46
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I don't think that Odile was talking about women who simply don't like the coil here but women who actually cannot use it and/or have severe side effects.
That is fair enough and understandable (I have the same issues with Condoms and Nuvaring).

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Old 22.08.2012, 11:51
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If a woman is sterilised, what if she re-marries??? Why is it always mentioned the other way round.
Maybe because women have a finite time of reproduction, whereas men much longer?

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You'll find more stories about pregnancies gone wrong
That's nothing to do with the topic of contraception per se, at best it could be linked to failed contraception, but not the procedure of vasectomy or other contraceptive operations.
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Old 22.08.2012, 11:53
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Re: Tubal ligation vs. vasectomy

So we're back to

"Women >>> Men"

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Old 22.08.2012, 11:57
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Re: Tubal ligation vs. vasectomy

ok ok maybe some of you just don't like her music, or for other reasons don't want to sell your babies to Madonna. There's an organisation here which will take them off your hands.

http://www.childslavelabor.com/sell.html
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Old 22.08.2012, 13:33
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You'll find more stories about pregnancies gone wrong
True, but:

A. You cannot compare routine outpatient surgery to a pregnancy
B. In light of this thread, if a pregnancy occurs something has gone very wrong
C. Choose your doctors carefully.

The point of the post was to show that tinkering under the hood doesn't always go smoothly.
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Old 22.08.2012, 14:29
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The point of the post was to show that tinkering under the hood doesn't always go smoothly.
True, of course it's still surgery and all surgeries have risks. If the couple is looking for a permanent solution then it still has significantly less risks than sterilization.

As for the question asked by some other people on this thread, "why does he have to do anything anyway, can't the woman just use the pill or coil" - those options have side effects as well, some of them very serious or even potentially fatal (venous thromboembolism, perforation, ectopic pregnancies, septic abortion, Pelvic Inflammatory Disease, to mention a few).
Of course, if we see pregnancy as the woman's problem then indeed it's up to her, what she does with her body to avoid getting pregnant. If it is seen as joint responsibility, then considering vasectomy as one of the options and comparing the side effects and success rates with other options is not really such an outrageous idea.
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Old 23.08.2012, 11:04
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Maybe because women have a finite time of reproduction, whereas men much longer?
On that topic:
Older dads linked to rise in mental illness

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19336438


Maybe "we" should be snipped at the same time as "our" women go through menopause, what with gender equality and all that...
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Old 23.08.2012, 11:38
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On that topic:
Older dads linked to rise in mental illness

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19336438


Maybe "we" should be snipped at the same time as "our" women go through menopause, what with gender equality and all that...
Just to play the devil's advocate, perhaps the ratio of fertilized ovum which become babys to ovum produced should equal the ratio of sperm used in fertilization to sperm produced.

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Perhaps a better 'comparison' would be complications following GA and tubal ligation. Vasectomies 'gone wrong' are VERY rare, and usually linked to patients not following the advice to take it easy and avoid streneous sport, etc, afterwards for a couple of weeks.

The secondary effects of wearing a coil, are quite high, and of course there are some cases where the coil goes a'walking and gets in-bedded in the womb, etc. Long term pill use is also associated with all sorts of risks. No way would I have wanted to be on the pill for 30+ years.
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