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Old 08.06.2012, 22:07
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Re: Chicken Pox

Maybe this is a dumb question, but chicken pox is something that has a childhood vaccine for, so why are so many kids here getting it? My daughter's school has rampant chicken pox, but she can't get it because she was vaccinated. I had it when I was a kid in 1983, but as a teacher I have never seen it and I have been teaching 10 years. The first time I have seen it as a teacher was when I started working in CH. The vaccine has been around since the early 90s.Kids aren't allowed to enter school (public or private) without the vaccine. Why is it an issue at all if a vaccine is out there to prevent it? It's not as if it is new, its been around for almost 20 years now.
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Old 08.06.2012, 22:29
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Re: Chicken Pox

My GP in Australia, who is very pro-vaccinations in general, did not recommend the chicken-pox vaccine. The reason is that it's a live attenuated vaccine, meaning it's like getting a very mild dose of the disease. His advice was that the vaccine probably could only last about 5 years, whereas a really good dose of chicken pox will probably give life-time immunity...

Regular exposure to the live chicken-pox vaccine actually reduces your changes of developing shingles as an adult. You normally won't 'catch' chicken pox if you caught it as a child, but if you are exposed to the virus, your immune system will basically 'boost' in reaction to the virus, and so you won't succumb to shingles.

Anyway, that was the advice I was given 8-10 years ago, and besides, I was told I had 'residual' immunity when pregnant with my third child (who then caught chicken pox along with me when he was under 2 years old)...so I would not have been considered to need the vaccine anyway...
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Old 08.06.2012, 22:33
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Re: Chicken Pox

The vaccine is given routinely in the USA. It wasn't routine in Switzerland when we arrived 4 years ago, and as I said in Australia it's not one that's considered 'essential'...

I'm guessing from your comment about 'compulsory' vaccination you come from the USA.

In Australia, vaccination is strongly encouraged, but you can definitely choose to not have your kids vaccinated, and they still get to go to school.

If there's an outbreak of chicken pox, the unvaccinated kids are not quarantined, because it's not considered to be seriously life threatening.

As and adult, if you had chicken pox as a child, but are not exposed regularly to the 'wild' chicken pox vaccine regularly, then you are more likely to develop shingles, which is quite a nasty illness...
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Maybe this is a dumb question, but chicken pox is something that has a childhood vaccine for, so why are so many kids here getting it? My daughter's school has rampant chicken pox, but she can't get it because she was vaccinated. I had it when I was a kid in 1983, but as a teacher I have never seen it and I have been teaching 10 years. The first time I have seen it as a teacher was when I started working in CH. The vaccine has been around since the early 90s.Kids aren't allowed to enter school (public or private) without the vaccine. Why is it an issue at all if a vaccine is out there to prevent it? It's not as if it is new, its been around for almost 20 years now.
This is a very common vaccine in US but in Switzerland i think its unheard of. The reason the doctor here gave is chicken pox is not a life threatening disease and it needs only proper care. so better to have it and be done with it. I completely agree when it comes to children - like i said in my other post my son didnt know a thing! but not sure for adults - at least not for me. i would have preferred to have the vaccine rather than go through what i am going through right now
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Old 08.06.2012, 23:44
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Re: Chicken Pox

When I was 32 I caught chicken pox from my children, and I was very ill. I was unconsious for 2 days, and parts of my gum disappeared!

I did take strong over the counter anti histamine tablets, which helped a lot with suppressing the itching.

I was asking my doctor about a Varicella vaccine last month, she told me it is not normal for adults, it is normally given at age of 11 years if the child has not already had the pox. One week later she wrote me an E-Mail: she was at a monthly meeting and an infections specialist told her to give me the vaccination, as it is reccomended in USA. I checked online and the vaccination is approved as general medicine by the Swiss authorities, ie the Swiss health insurance must pay for it.

My girl friend was a teacher, and developed shingles 2 years ago. The staff at Solothurn hospital had thought she might die, as she was so ill. She is still suffering from a weak immune system, and itching even now!
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Re: Chicken Pox

I do think the idea of the vaccine is to prevent the disease from breaking out at all. Like I said, I haven't seen a case in over a decade, so adults don't have to be around exposed children or adults. I guess I would just rather have everyone immune so that no one got full blown chicken pox.
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I do think the idea of the vaccine is to prevent the disease from breaking out at all. Like I said, I haven't seen a case in over a decade, so adults don't have to be around exposed children or adults. I guess I would just rather have everyone immune so that no one got full blown chicken pox.
In the case of the chicken pox vaccination, it is not the goal. There are too many people carrying the dormant virus (which is where 'shingles' comes from), and the immunisation is not effective enough...

Chicken pox goes around, even kids who have been vaccinated are 'carriers' of the virus. They hopefully get a milder infection but they can still carry the virus and pass it on. So in this case, there are some 'advantages' to getting a 'proper' exposure as a child, which then builds the immune system - as others said, getting it as an adult is often much worse - I was delirious for about 2 days with high fever, and head-to-toe spots...and wow, so cranky for days afterwards!
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Re: Chicken Pox

Pardon my saying this but this is the first country (and i have lived in about 13 countries prior to CH) that i see that chicken pox is as common as a common cold and also treated with the same attitude as towards a common cold. Maybe if i had been brought up in CH i would have been able to appreciate it better but having chicken pox as an adult is not at all good.

In my son's krippe, they were amused that we kept our son off the krippe until his blisters started crusting and falling off. when i went to drop him off after he recovered, i saw at least two kids with chicken pox at its peak! and when i asked the krippe they said, its normal for kids to come and even i could have sent my kid. I feel so scared infecting others. I kept my son at home even though i know it would have done him good to get some fresh air because you never know whom you meet in the elevator or on your way out who could potentially be infected. Same with me - i am confined to home and my husband who has had it as a child is the one who runs errands, does the washing and just about anything outdoors.
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Old 09.06.2012, 09:56
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Re: Chicken Pox

The norm here in Switzerland is to encourage the kids to get chicken pox as kids. Which means that if one child gets down with it, he can go on going to school or daycare.

My daughter got it when she was 6 mo, as ALL her friends hat nursery got it at the same time. The doctors consider than it's better to be done with it at a young age.

If a child managed to escape getting it, vaccination is offered to teenagers, as the disease is usually much stronger in adults.

I'm Swiss, but I don't really appreciate this approach. My daughter ended up in hospital as two of her spots got severly infected. And true it's not a life-threatening disease, but your child feels miserable for a week.

You can get the vaccine in Switzerland, but you'll have to pay for it as the insurance won't.
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Old 09.06.2012, 10:19
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Re: Chicken Pox

Part of the problem is also that chicken pox is contagious for three days before the spots come out - by the time you know your child has it, he's already shared it with everyone else anyway, so keeping him home after the spots come out is not really going to stop anyone else from getting it.

Also, as I said, regular exposure to the virus (as in, being around kids who have it) boosts your immune system and reduces your chances of getting shingles. Shingles is nasty too.

The number of kids who get really seriously sick from chicken pox is very very low, especially compared to something like measles or mumps. The vast majority of the time there are no further complications, and there's no 'cure'.

And the vaccination has the potential to cause shingles too, so you haven't avoided anything much in the long term. The vaccination will give partial immunity, for an unknown period of time, but it's not a 'long term' or 'complete' vaccination.

In that sense, it probably is not any more serious than the common cold...and the 'up' side is that you catch a strong case of it once, and probably will never catch it again.... it won't be a disease that's eliminated by vaccination in the long-run, it's a case of 'vaccinate because you can', not 'vaccinate against a life-threatening illness'.

On the other hand, if you are planning to get pregnant, and are not already pregnant, they can check your immunity status, and give you the vaccination. Chicken pox can cause very rare problems in pregnancy, but only in a mother who is not already immune so cannot pass her immunity on to the unborn or newborn baby.

But as I said, I was considered 'residually immune' but still managed to catch chicken pox less than 2 years after pregnancy... and was not considered 'high risk' to be given a booster...
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You can get the vaccine in Switzerland, but you'll have to pay for it as the insurance won't.
The Federal Office of Public Health states that vaccination against chicken pox is part of basic health care,

http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/krank...x.html?lang=en
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Re: Chicken Pox

We used Fenistil gel from the apotheke. Hope you are able to get some relief!!

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Re: Chicken Pox

Hi I currently have it with my 3 under 3.5 years

we use for the spots
schüttelpinselung weiss & tanno-hermal dabbed on with a q-tip

for the itches
Feniallerg tropfen

my son had some in his mouth as well we used
bucco tantum mouth rinse (but you must be able to gargle and spit!!!!!)

and for the shower we used
pruri-med juckreizstillende und rückfettende hautwaschemulsion

also good old paracetamol for the fever!!!!

if you want the info in French I have it as well but if I can remember I think that op lives on the Swiss German side
(the dark side! he he he)

just try not to scratch you should not have any scars I did not get any from chicken pox
I tell my kids they are lucky because they have snow flakes in spring/summer and I even let them put some on me so we are all the same

good luck and they will go soon just be patient
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We used Fenistil gel from the apotheke. Hope you are able to get some relief!!

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It exists in drops too (called Feniallerg), for a more general and long lasting effect.
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Pardon my saying this but this is the first country (and i have lived in about 13 countries prior to CH) that i see that chicken pox is as common as a common cold and also treated with the same attitude as towards a common cold. Maybe if i had been brought up in CH i would have been able to appreciate it better but having chicken pox as an adult is not at all good.

In my son's krippe, they were amused that we kept our son off the krippe until his blisters started crusting and falling off. when i went to drop him off after he recovered, i saw at least two kids with chicken pox at its peak! and when i asked the krippe they said, its normal for kids to come and even i could have sent my kid. I feel so scared infecting others. I kept my son at home even though i know it would have done him good to get some fresh air because you never know whom you meet in the elevator or on your way out who could potentially be infected. Same with me - i am confined to home and my husband who has had it as a child is the one who runs errands, does the washing and just about anything outdoors.
We have this issue in our school. We have kids who try to come to school with chicken pox, but we send them home. Whether or not the vaccine is good or bad is debatable, but I just don't understand sending a child to school when they have a major viral outbreak. We had a child with a German father who was always gone on business and a Swiss mother. The mom would often send her child in even if they had a fever. I find that kind of thing atrocious. If your child is sick, it is your job as a parent to stay home with them so their body can rest and fight off what ever ails them.
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We used Fenistil gel from the apotheke. Hope you are able to get some relief!!

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Thanks!

That's what my son used and i am using now - does give lot of relief but for the short term!
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Re: Chicken Pox

The question of vaccine is debatable. And if you really see my son go through the chicken pox it was definitely no more than a common cold. The cbeebies plus lot of pampering did the trick. he had fever at night and paracetamol (some wax kind of thing to be inserted in his rectum) relieved him of the fever. I think he was just irritant like in a common cold and I am HAPPY he got it so young.

I cannot say the same thing about me. It is definitely not a common cold for me. I have been at home now for the 4th consecutive day and maybe for another week. I have blisters all over my face and scalp in addition to many other places and it is all making me so miserable. I cant cook or do any of the household chores which i can easily do if i have a common cold.

In the US it is mandatory to have the vaccine when the child starts kindergarden. We moved out of US before my son started school and hence did not vaccinate him. In India, chicken pox is a relatively unheard of disease. The ped we used to meet did not encourage the vaccine for the same reason swisspea has mentioned but the choice was ours.

It is a choice for an adult whether to get it or not and if was so common here and i was aware i would have taken the vaccine.

Maybe i am aghast at the whole thing because i am feeling so miserable and also thinking what scars it will leave on my already not-so-beautiful face
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Re: Chicken Pox

I can totally commiserate with how you are feeling. Another tip I can give is to try to keep your skin cool - stay indoors, with very clean cotton clothing so the skin can 'breathe'.

You probably wont' get scars - try to leave those spots alone, don't pick or scratch them, and keep your skin clean and use the tanno-hermal stuff on them, that will also make a barrier to stop germs from getting in.

I totally had them 100% everywhere... It was nasty. And I don't have one single scar... so please don't freak out that you'll get scars, because you probably won't...
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Re: Chicken Pox

I did a little internet research, and apparently the strain of chicken pox in tropical countries is different to the one in temperate countries - and the immunisation is for the 'temperate' one. Also, there is some evidence that the virus moves more easily in low-UV conditions because it is killed off from the skin if exposed to UV light, so it generally breaks out in the autumn and spring when the UV levels are lower. In India the UV levels are actually higher in the monsoon season because the water washes down the air pollution, letting the sunshine through.... whereas in the dry season there is a lot of air pollution that scatters/absorbs the UV light.

In the UK, by age 5, around 70% of kids will have had exposure to chicken pox virus and have some immunity. In India it's less common in children and more common to get it as a teenager or young adult, but that means a more serious illness when you do get it...especially if you get it for the first time as an adult..
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Re: Chicken Pox

It's also of concern that chicken pox is so common because it's not as benign as mosg people think. As you say, it is very unpleasant if you have it as an adult and serious com
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