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Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

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Does somebody knows about the Cranio sacral therapy in order to treat lack of sleep problems and nervous problems ? Does anybody have had a treatment like this ? I have read some articles related to this but I still can't make my mind as some articles are in pro for that therapy and some are really mean regarding this , so I wanna know if someone of you had experienced in person this one and if it can be advisable to have it or not ?
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it's a quack therapy.
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Re: Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

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......... if it can be advisable to have it or not ?
This should be enlightening:

http://www.quackwatch.com/01Quackery...s/cranial.html
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Re: Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

My wife had it some years ago after a severe car accident, it did help her a lot to reduce trauma, pain and tension. Both of our sons have had some treatments to help with sleep problems (when they were babies), for the older one (who was 3 weeks premeture) it worked wonders and also helped him relax and "open" his posture, as he seemed to be quite locked in a foetal type position for a few months after birth. For our younger son it was of negligable value as he could/would not sit still enough for a proper treatment but our therapist said not to worry as she "sensed" he would always be a bit late making developmental changes but then go full speed into them. This was pretty perceptive IMHO as it fits with how he is developing (normally) and how he makes a step change rather than a gradual change. Given that you require certification to practice it and it is covered by medical insurance, the quack comment is not justified. I would reccomend to try it and see how you go BUT do take the time to meet the Therapist first to make sure you are comfortable with each other as it is a fairly intimate hands on therapy.
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the quack comment is not justified.
CST posits that the bones (plates) that make up the cranium are loose, and thus the sutures can be adjusted. No medical science shows that this CST claim is based in fact.

I think that CST could be dangerous in a case where serious treatment is required to prevent worsening of a dangerous ailment.
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Old 19.09.2012, 14:05
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Re: Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

If quack isn't acceptable how about "Complete tosh"?

As is homeopathy which is also covered by health insurance. Insurance coverage is no guarantee of non-quackiness.
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I have no opinion about cranio sacral therapy because I've never tried it, but I would like to point out that chiropractic treatments were once considered "quack" as well...
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Hi all !!

Does somebody knows about the Cranio sacral therapy in order to treat lack of sleep problems and nervous problems ? Does anybody have had a treatment like this ? I have read some articles related to this but I still can't make my mind as some articles are in pro for that therapy and some are really mean regarding this , so I wanna know if someone of you had experienced in person this one and if it can be advisable to have it or not ?
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it's a quack therapy.
Um, if you actually read the OP's post (see the bold above), I would not need to groan you.

If you have had CS treatment and it did not work, I would not need to groan you.

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If quack isn't acceptable how about "Complete tosh"?

As is homeopathy which is also covered by health insurance. Insurance coverage is no guarantee of non-quackiness.
There are lots of treatments which may work for one person and not another, for whatever reason, take Physio, Chiro or Acupuncture for back pain as an example, everyone has their own experiences which may or may not have worked. It does not mean that all other treatments are "complete tosh". The fact that it is covered by insurance does mean there is "some" control of the practice.

Now go back to work, you guys are a joke, you are not qualifed to comment based on the information contained in your posts.
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Old 19.09.2012, 14:30
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I have no opinion about cranio sacral therapy because I've never tried it, but I would like to point out that chiropractic treatments were once considered "quack" as well...
Many schemes to get money from people without giving anything real back are called fraud, however, some people in the past were called frauds, but actually did have a way to make a tiny bit of money (though not as much as the advertising promises), therefore, if a nigerian scammer asks you for some money, go for it, chances are, it's legit.
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Now go back to work, you guys are a joke, you are not qualifed to comment based on the information contained in your posts.
How patronizing, and totally uncalled for.

With regards to most of the claims of CST: what can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence.
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Um, if you actually read the OP's post (see the bold above), I would not need to groan you.

If you have had CS treatment and it did not work, I would not need to groan you.



There are lots of treatments which may work for one person and not another, for whatever reason, take Physio, Chiro or Acupuncture for back pain as an example, everyone has their own experiences which may or may not have worked. It does not mean that all other treatments are "complete tosh". The fact that it is covered by insurance does mean there is "some" control of the practice.

Now go back to work, you guys are a joke, you are not qualifed to comment based on the information contained in your posts.
And you are the only one on here (thus far) who has had actual experience to share about it.
I, too, have been curious as to what it exactly CST is, and so I'm thankful for your post.
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Old 19.09.2012, 15:14
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I have no opinion about cranio sacral therapy because I've never tried it, but I would like to point out that chiropractic treatments were once considered "quack" as well...
This is true. And some still are.

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And here's a good one as well: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...o-simon-singh/

Oh - my wife had CST several years ago, so I do have experience of it, albeit indirectly. It didn't work, except to make the practitioner a little wealthier. Hence I stand by my original assessment: complete tosh.

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Re: Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

But if it's worked for even just a few people, then I think there's something to it.

Even placebos can be highly effective.

And not everyone responds similarly to the same treatment.

Besides, medicine is ALL about the money no matter what the field is. For me, I'd rather have an alternative to just popping a pill and making pharmaceutical companies even richer.

And when you're dealing with severe pain or whatever else that might be keeping you from enjoying life, sometimes you are desperate to try anything that might help.

Science is constantly evolving.
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Even placebos can be highly effective.
Don't forget that any benefits from pharmaceuticals also include a placebo effect, which may be larger than any effect of the actual drug. In fact randomised control trials tend to overemphasise the actual effectiveness of the drug compared to the placebo benefit as test patients are told they may be receiving an inert drug. Treatments people believe in tend to be effective, and ones they don't tend to be ineffective. This holds for both the type of medicine the medical profession/drugs company have a vested interest in maintaining control of, and alternative therapies!
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This is true. And some still are.



And here's a good one as well: http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/...o-simon-singh/

Oh - my wife had CST several years, so I do have experience of it, albeit indirectly. It didn't work, except to make the practitioner a little wealthier. Hence I stand by my original assessment: complete tosh.
Then why did you not explain this in your first post? It was what the OP was asking for personal experience NOT personal opinion, maybe explain what was being treated and how it did not work would actually help them. But to have treatment for several years and it not to work, one has to question why you allowed your wife to keep going back, would you do this for a length of time with any other medical treatment that was not achieving a result or some benefit.
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one has to question why you allowed your wife to keep going back,
Women are entitled to an own will nowadays. And they tend to be more esoteric than men.
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Re: Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

ive had cranial osteopathy after a heavy boxing related injury, the operation was serious and involved metal place in my jawbone, some months later i had cranial osteopathy which really helped my neck, back and spine to hold correct posture, also its very relaxing and helps with sleep, my atlas bone was a bit misaligned and after 4 sessionsit was corrected. i recommend it, worked for me.
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Re: Cranio sacral therapy...any commentaries about it ??

My son has had cranial sacral therapy upon the recommendation of his Physical Therapist. He was 10 mths old at the time. Immediately after starting he was able to sit up unassisted and started gaining other milestones (he has some genetic-based delays, which at the time we did not know).

Who knows if the advances with the milestones was due to the cst, his natural progression or something else, but while he was doing it he without a doubt gained milestones. We moved when he was 2 yo and started therapy back when he was probably 3.5 yo. At that time, I figured if a 3.5 yo were willing to stay still for an hour, there must be something to it!

Personally I would recommend you give it a shot. Worst that can happen is you decide it does not benefit you.
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It would be nice to leave the passions aside for a bit. I am not a huge fan of any alternative therapies in particular. Some people here went ahead and attacked a whole discipline because they felt they got ripped off / taken ,once. Maybe you could go ahead and declare main stream medicine quackery the next time you have an ineffective medical therapy which is approved by all the appropriate medical bodies and institutions. But, in that case we just say " I had a bad/ ineffective/doctor and go on.One might even warn others not to go to that particular practicioner. Perhaps if the damage to the patient is significant the complaint takes on a legal dimension.
Coming to alternative medicine, suddenly it's all different:" Homeo, Chiro, Cranio, TCM is no good, damn bastards, took my money, ripped off my gullible wife/ husband, bla bla bla"...on and on. Just say you had a bad experience with this or that paracticioner of this or that discipline. How many practicioners of that discipline did you did you experience to have a "thorough" opinion?
I've had good and neutral or even bad experiences with alternative practicioners. Craniosacral is really dependent on the feel of the practicioner. A couple of them have helped both my wife and son in cases where mainstream medicine did not help them . Non life threatening of course.
To the OP, just use your judgement on if this is right for you. You will soon know.
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For our younger son it was of negligable value as he could/would not sit still enough for a proper treatment but our therapist said not to worry as she "sensed" he would always be a bit late making developmental changes but then go full speed into them.
I'm not really into such "alternative" therapies but, as a mother, if someone practising as a medical therapist in any shape or form, conventional or alternative, stated that he or she "sensed" a diagnosis for my son I would be out of there in the blink of an eye.

Maybe she worded it badly in your case, RTN, but that is something that would definitely get alarm bells ringing in my head.
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