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So the genital area is never the subject of a medical issue is it? All "rude" areas are off limits?

I have a boy so can only comment on his examination. As my son isn't circumcised it is necessary to keep a check on his foreskin at each developmental check. Also, the doctor has checked once or twice whether the testicles are in the right position.

If I had shouted at him to leave my son's penis alone and had not allowed him to quickly examine it, I might not be aware that he is at risk of needing a circumcision or similar treatment. He's not - but I wouldn't have had that reassurance from the doctor.

I think sometimes we need to put the media hysteria to one side and perhaps give professionals the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not saying it doesn't go on and in this case the OP said her "gut" feeling told her that something wasn't quite right but this does not mean this kind of examination is automatically something seedy.

I'm sure the OP will come back to the thread some time and let us know which way her follow up goes.

I agree that professionals should be allowed to do their job. But this mother was obviously not prepared for a genital examination. Of course in my opinion a doctor wouldn't touch a girl inappropriately in front of her mother, but I believe that if something is going on that you don't have a good feeling about, especially when it's to do with your children, then absolutely you should speak up. Now when my GP asks me to strip my daughter down to exam her, I do it and ask no questions. But it's a woman, so I feel more comfortable... So maybe that's all that this mother needs, a woman doing the examination.
I am sure that if a doctor turned around to you and said your child needed an exam that you weren't expecting you would be surprised. I knew that boys got their penis checked by the doctor alot... I didn't know that a girl's vagina was checked at 3-4 years.
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I knew that boys got their penis checked by the doctor alot... I didn't know that a girl's vagina was checked at 3-4 years.
Exactly. It does no harm at all to make sure you are informed of stuff BEFORE you get surprised (and perhaps offended) by it.
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Old 23.09.2012, 22:43
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Re: Pre kindergarten check

Actually, this thread reminds me that one of my daughters did have labial adhesion noticed by her pediatrician at a check up.

This is from http://www.babycenter.com/0_labial-adhesion_12464.bc:
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.The doctor says my daughter has labial adhesion. What's that?
It means the inner lips of her vagina her labia minora have become stuck together. The area that's joined may be just a small section, or it may be extensive. This happens to about 2 percent of girls up to age 6 in the United States, and while the condition can be unsettling for parents, in most cases it's nothing to worry about.
What causes labial adhesion?
Children's Symptom Guide

Is it serious? Find out fast

Some little girls just seem predisposed to it. Experts think adhesion happens when the labia become irritated and raw possibly from wet or dirty diapers or scented detergent or soap then fuse together as they heal. Estrogen also seems to play a role: Adhesion tends to develop at about 3 months, just after the estrogen a baby received at birth from Mom has tapered off. (The hormone affects the skin cells of the labia.)
I do think a couple of you are being a little hysterical about this. The fact is, there is a legitimate reason for this check. BTW, we had to apply an estrogen cream for a few days or so to treat it...
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Re: Pre kindergarten check

"labial adhesion"

This is all well and fine, the point is that the doctor should have asked or explained beforehand.

I think i will just have to find a new doctor. Is it possible to visit a doctor from a different canton or does the doctor have to be from the same canton you live in?
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Re: Pre kindergarten check

If you want to report him, even if you don't speak german is not a problem, almost of the doctors speak english and or understand it a little.
I am shocked just to read your post, I can imagine how you might have felt! I haven't checked all the links that have been sent to you but I really don't see why a doctor should check your daughter genitals for a pre visit to kindergarten. I have a boy and believe me, tomorrow morning I'm going to ask him if a doctor has ever asked him to put down his pants to be checked on his genitals because at the next visit by the school doctor, I will be there!
I think you are right to enquiry about it and to look for another doctor. Good luck.
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Re: Pre kindergarten check

FFS it was a medical exam performed by a Dr in the presence of the mother. I really don't get why people automatically assume that what happened was inappropriate especially as a few people have posted the medical justification for such an examination. Dr's examine all body parts, it is the nature of their work no need to get so worked up about it.
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What if her child had asked afterwards "why did the doctor put his finger in my vagina?" and the mother didn't know how to answer that?!
Of course it isn't inappropriate for the doctor to exam her like that but this mother genuinely didn't know what the examination was for or even that it was meant to take place... She might as well not have been there...
I believe what has affected this woman is that a doctor, professional all as he is, put his finger inside her daughter, legit exam and all that, without her knowing why it was taking place... and to be fair if a doctor was doing a routine exam for me, as a fully grown adult, and was going to touch my vagina I would say "why?" and "gloves please" !!!!! Just my take on it.....


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FFS it was a medical exam performed by a Dr in the presence of the mother. I really don't get why people automatically assume that what happened was inappropriate especially as a few people have posted the medical justification for such an examination. Dr's examine all body parts, it is the nature of their work no need to get so worked up about it.
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What if her child had asked afterwards "why did the doctor put his finger in my vagina?" and the mother didn't know how to answer that?!
Of course it isn't inappropriate for the doctor to exam her like that but this mother genuinely didn't know what the examination was for or even that it was meant to take place... She might as well not have been there...
I believe what has affected this woman is that a doctor, professional all as he is, put his finger inside her daughter, legit exam and all that, without her knowing why it was taking place... and to be fair if a doctor was doing a routine exam for me, as a fully grown adult, and was going to touch my vagina I would say "why?" and "gloves please" !!!!! Just my take on it.....
Exactly, but the mother failed to ask why!
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Re: Pre kindergarten check

Instead of banging on about it being inappropriate ask questions! Bringing a professionals reputation into disrepute because you don't understand what is going on is just plain wrong. If too shocked at the time like the mother was then ask for another appointment so it can be explained properly & calmly. Talk of reporting the Dr for doing his job is what is not appropriate here.

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What if her child had asked afterwards "why did the doctor put his finger in my vagina?" and the mother didn't know how to answer that?!
Of course it isn't inappropriate for the doctor to exam her like that but this mother genuinely didn't know what the examination was for or even that it was meant to take place... Might as well not have been there...
I believe has affected this woman is that a doctor, professional all as he is, put his finger inside her daughter, legit exam and all that, without her knowing why it was taking place... and to be fair if a doctor was doing a routine exam for me as a fully grown adult and was going to put exam my vagina I would say "why?" and "gloves please" !!!!! Just my take on it.....
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Instead of banging on about it being inappropriate ask questions! Bringing a professionals reputation into disrepute because you don't understand what is going on is just plain wrong. If too shocked at the time like the mother was then ask for another appointment so it can be explained properly & calmly. Talk of reporting the Dr for doing his job is what is not appropriate here.
I completely agree that the doctor really shouldn't be brought under enquiry.. It was just a general check.... The key to this matter is the vunerability brought on by the surprise of it all.. I know a fully fledged adult who refused to get a smear test done because she did not like the idea of anyone touching her vagina... Now she has issues... God help her if she ever finds a man!!!!
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Re: Pre kindergarten check

I was a little surprised when the same procedure was done to my child. The Dr. (a women) did not ask for my permission but did tell my daughter that no one was allowed to touch her there unless they had Moms permission. I said "right". I assumed it was to check for sexual abuse, and thought to myself the Dr. was being very thorough.

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Re: Pre kindergarten check

Just wanted to add that around here (Vaud), a pre-kindergarten check is becoming a standard procedure around here by the pediatricians. Not sure if it is some medical recommendation board or something else driving this. My oldest did not have this, was not part of the pediatiricians plans at that time, but my son did 2 years ago, and dr. seemed to imply it was now a standard thing.

Basically it is a more detailed general physical, which most kids have at around age 4, so they often call it a pre-school exam, when in reality, at least in my experience, is that they do all the normal physical exams (and for boys, as Sandgrounder said, involves checking the foreskin and descending of the testicals) and evaluate skills such as cognizant abilities, fine motor skills, gross motor skills, etc.. It is more to work in advance, so that they can evaluate or rule out medical or physical aspects that could make learning difficult. So in essence, it is being proactive and having a normal physical with a few things added on in my experience.
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