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I'm very much, and always have been, an occasional, or social, if you prefer (although I don't) smoker, and, maybe because of the way my body works, have never been able to understand 'addiction' to cigarettes. Sure, the social triggers, habits and practices that make me feel like smoking will initiate a 'flash the tabs" moment, but equally if I'm with a group of non-smokers I'll usually desist - indeed it's unlikely that I'd have any with me in the first place.

But the effect of current attitudes towards smoking, and the concept of addiction, very much force people into an all-or-nothing scenario. I tend to more compare it with drinking, and although I know there are people (my own father for one) who cannot control their drinking if (or when) they once start, the vast majority of people control themselves and limit their intake to whatever they feel sensible, either because they don't want to get out of control and make fools of themselves, or they're driving, or they don't want to suffer the morning-after feeling, or for whatever reason.

The point is that if you can control if, when, and how much you drink, why not take the same approach to smoking? I wouldn't dream of smoking first thing in the morning, just as I wouldn't want a drink. Either of them _may_ be pleasurable, regardless of the time and place, but just as I know that having a wee dram before heading off to work is a bad thing, and have no desire to do so, so can I avoid the desire to smoke at what I would consider inappropriate times.

I'm not advocating that people don't try to give up completely, but that by taking a slightly more relaxed attitude, for example allowing oneself a couple of smokes on a night out, one may be able to reduce the smoking intake to a tiny proportion without the constant battle of willpower that seems to defeat so many. More importantly one must not feel that one cigarette is as bad as a whole pack. Just because you might have the odd one now and again must not lead to a feeling that you've failed, but should be a reminder of how much you've succeeded, in only having the one and not caving in and going back to old habits.
In an ideal world, that should work. In fact, I'm happy it works for you and deep inside wish it did for me too.

I think though that the stuff is so addictive that for most of us is either all or nothing. I know that if I allow myself one fag on a night out, or when I'm stressed, I'd be looking for excuses to do it again.
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I'm not advocating that people don't try to give up completely, but that by taking a slightly more relaxed attitude, for example allowing oneself a couple of smokes on a night out, one may be able to reduce the smoking intake to a tiny proportion without the constant battle of willpower that seems to defeat so many. More importantly one must not feel that one cigarette is as bad as a whole pack. Just because you might have the odd one now and again must not lead to a feeling that you've failed, but should be a reminder of how much you've succeeded, in only having the one and not caving in and going back to old habits.
I have read before that cutting down can be harder... as in.. if you decided to just have the one before bed or just have the one with the morning coffee that you can spend the rest of the day just waiting for the next time you have your "Allowed" smoke.

Now, im not saying that this is true for every one... or that it is true at all. I just thought it interesting to mention.

Personally, I know i needed to go cold turkey.. all or nothing... that was over 7 months ago and Im as happy as a pig in poop LOL
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I'm very much, and always have been, an occasional, or social, if you prefer (although I don't) smoker, and, maybe because of the way my body works, have never been able to understand 'addiction' to cigarettes. Sure, the social triggers, habits and practices that make me feel like smoking will initiate a 'flash the tabs" moment, but equally if I'm with a group of non-smokers I'll usually desist - indeed it's unlikely that I'd have any with me in the first place.

But the effect of current attitudes towards smoking, and the concept of addiction, very much force people into an all-or-nothing scenario. I tend to more compare it with drinking, and although I know there are people (my own father for one) who cannot control their drinking if (or when) they once start, the vast majority of people control themselves and limit their intake to whatever they feel sensible, either because they don't want to get out of control and make fools of themselves, or they're driving, or they don't want to suffer the morning-after feeling, or for whatever reason.

The point is that if you can control if, when, and how much you drink, why not take the same approach to smoking? I wouldn't dream of smoking first thing in the morning, just as I wouldn't want a drink. Either of them _may_ be pleasurable, regardless of the time and place, but just as I know that having a wee dram before heading off to work is a bad thing, and have no desire to do so, so can I avoid the desire to smoke at what I would consider inappropriate times.

I'm not advocating that people don't try to give up completely, but that by taking a slightly more relaxed attitude, for example allowing oneself a couple of smokes on a night out, one may be able to reduce the smoking intake to a tiny proportion without the constant battle of willpower that seems to defeat so many. More importantly one must not feel that one cigarette is as bad as a whole pack. Just because you might have the odd one now and again must not lead to a feeling that you've failed, but should be a reminder of how much you've succeeded, in only having the one and not caving in and going back to old habits.
This is great for you and all but you're in the minority of smokers. Most ex-smokers I know, myself included, would fall right back into addiction after the first cigarette. I think every single former smoker and most current smokers have tried the "I'll just cut down to x cigarettes" and it never works. Cigarettes, unlike alcohol, are designed to be as addictive as possible.

As an aside, I've never had a drinking problem. I can drink a beer socially, and not have one for weeks, but I would never, ever suggest that a recovering alchoholic or drug addict lighten up and drink a beer every now and then. Just because I'm able to drink that way doesn't mean that everyone can.
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Need tips here people. I know most say quit cold turkey. Can do that. The problem is when sitting with friends who smoke, or going for a drink. The craving is stronger than. How to do it? Help.
i started to try to quit in 2005 the first time i got really sick because of smoking (terrible bronchitis). i quit for a few months, got back into it. Rinse wash repeat for years until i finally quit 9mos ago and have been done ever since. I feel good about it this time, im not missing it all like the other times i tried and did with various degrees of failure.

i think cold turkey is the best way. and you get better at it each time you try. dont think you will quit cold turkey once. you will need a lot of attempts, took me... what... 7?

heres how it was for me: i had to re-habituate every single aspect where i used to smoke with non-smoking. Every single one! A lot of them are easy, daily events which are not so hard to switch over. but others, like the ones you mentioned, or in my case, the stress coping ones, were virtually impossible for YEARS and took a lot of hits with the sledgehammer before the habit cracked. And they dont happen very often, so theyre hard to practice against. So youll do fine for a few weeks, and then youll hit a landmine of a "use case" where you smoke that you dont encounter very often, and oooooh boy hey creepy spiders up your back tighness in your chest start picking at those finger nails... onset of craving inbound, take cover!

you have to actively work at rehabituating life's situations without cigs. its damn hard.
  • dont go drinking with friends who smoke until youve been smoke free for a few weeks at least.
  • exercise like hell.
  • dont beat yourself up too bad if you fall off the wagon. i was doing great the last time i quit... then i had a double whammy with the exwife AND a bad scare with authorities and i HAD TO SMOKE and so i did. And then after a few mos. i was ready to try again, and this time, ive had both those things happen again and i got thru it without cigs this time.
i started thinking about it as there were 100 situations where i would smoke: the 10:30 cig out front of the office with the coworker. the post work walking to the train station. the after dinner smoke. the smoke walking out of a movie theater (this weirdly enough was one of the hardest ones!) the smoking while drinking. the fighting with the exwife chain smoking sessions with the phone in one hand and the cigs in the other... etc etc.

i had to find a way to fix every single one of those habits. But once they were fixed, they stayed fixed, so even when i "fell off the wagon" and went back to smoking for a while, i didnt smoke in those situations any more. So you fix 12 habits and then fall off and start again. then you try to quit again, and youve only got 88 situations to fix, instead of 100. Then you get through another 20 before falling again. etc etc...

This was how it was for me. For me, it wasnt the "quitting" that was hard, it was the "staying quit" for more than a few weeks, because id encounter a previously untested trigger.

i guess my ranty long winded point is: keep at it. and dont think just because you failed, you always will, or that its impossible. Keep at it, keep fixing those situations one by one till theyre all gone.

Now its been 9mos and i cant beleive i spent so much of my life smoking, almost 20 years. Now they smell like flaming monkey anus. Good luck to you, and may cigs smell like FMA to you too soon.
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I had my last smoke on Jan 8, 2010. It was probably one of the most important days of my life in retrospect. My wife and I just had a daughter, and the thought of touching her with smoky, nicotine fingers disgusted me, and I knew I'd never, ever want her to see me smoking, so I quit. Despite being very skeptical of self-help books, I was desperate enough to read the Carr book, and apparently it worked for me, as I was able to quit. It was hard, the first few months were torture, especially while drinking or what have you, so I cut down on my drinking temporarily to lessen the temptation, and took up running, losing some weight and gaining a new hobby at the same time. There's a chart out there that shows how your body is recovering at various stages after smoking, I spent a good amount of time looking at that, too.

I'm no longer a slave to cigarettes, I don't waste tons of money to buy things that are killing me, I don't thoughtlessly bother people around me who don't want to inhale smoke, throw my butts on the ground, or flick ashes into the wind to get blown on to other people. I don't have to suffer the humiliation of showing people how weak I am by constantly failing to quit, sneaking out of an event and coming back smelling awful, or being unable to enjoy a meal, beer, or activity unless it's accompanied by a cigarette. I forgot what it was like to have a normal sense of taste and smell after 20 years of smoking, and a few months after I quit I was amazed at how much more powerful everything tasted and smelled. At the time I quit, I remember being scared I'd never be able to have a beer again without wanting a smoke to go with it, but after a year or so that went away too, and now I'm sure I'll never have another cigarette and can't really remember the last time I had a craving.

You can do it! If you fail, as almost all of us have at one time or another, keep trying!
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I had my last smoke on Jan 8, 2010. It was probably one of the most important days of my life in retrospect. My wife and I just had a daughter, and the thought of touching her with smoky, nicotine fingers disgusted me, and I knew I'd never, ever want her to see me smoking, so I quit. Despite being very skeptical of self-help books, I was desperate enough to read the Carr book, and apparently it worked for me, as I was able to quit. It was hard, the first few months were torture, especially while drinking or what have you, so I cut down on my drinking temporarily to lessen the temptation, and took up running, losing some weight and gaining a new hobby at the same time. There's a chart out there that shows how your body is recovering at various stages after smoking, I spent a good amount of time looking at that, too.

I'm no longer a slave to cigarettes, I don't waste tons of money to buy things that are killing me, I don't thoughtlessly bother people around me who don't want to inhale smoke, throw my butts on the ground, or flick ashes into the wind to get blown on to other people. I don't have to suffer the humiliation of showing people how weak I am by constantly failing to quit, sneaking out of an event and coming back smelling awful, or being unable to enjoy a meal, beer, or activity unless it's accompanied by a cigarette. I forgot what it was like to have a normal sense of taste and smell after 20 years of smoking, and a few months after I quit I was amazed at how much more powerful everything tasted and smelled. At the time I quit, I remember being scared I'd never be able to have a beer again without wanting a smoke to go with it, but after a year or so that went away too, and now I'm sure I'll never have another cigarette and can't really remember the last time I had a craving.

You can do it! If you fail, as almost all of us have at one time or another, keep trying!
waaaaaaaaaaaaay!

right there with you! super well said, too, about the good parts as well when you start to come out on the other side.
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Okay so first of all everyone is different and not one approach will work for everyone.
I've stopped smoking for months at a time only to start again. The general reason I stop is because I have enough. My tongue starts to feel weird I start to get paranoid ill get lip or mouth cancer and I feel my body doesn't deserve this treatment. I've found it most hard to stop when other people are telling me all the reasons to stop, and found it easiest when it wasn't even a challenge. I literally smoked so much one night I couldn't bare to smoke the next day or the day after or infact the 10 months after that!

Now I smoke but only socially. I try to remember that I used to think smoking calmed me down, but rushing to have a ciggy before doing something or in a break or before driving was driving me crazy. I feel like I've got more time now I don't smoke. You have to find the reasons why you want to stop and think about them every time you get the urge.

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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Wow, you all, thanks for all the tips. Been reading everything. Avoiding sitting with the friends who smoke. Busying myself with something else. 2 nights no smoking and I finally had a good nights sleep withought waking up after a few hours. Switching to cola and no beer for a while. Tonight will be the test point. Heading to the pub with friends. Mission: Cola instead of beer, fries to keep me busy, not walking out where the rest are smoking and keeping hold of my wallet and not going to buy a pack. Funny till now I really do bot crave one that much, just a 15% craving at this moment.
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Wow, you all, thanks for all the tips. Been reading everything. Avoiding sitting with the friends who smoke. Busying myself with something else. 2 nights no smoking and I finally had a good nights sleep withought waking up after a few hours. Switching to cola and no beer for a while. Tonight will be the test point. Heading to the pub with friends. Mission: Cola instead of beer, fries to keep me busy, not walking out where the rest are smoking and keeping hold of my wallet and not going to buy a pack. Funny till now I really do bot crave one that much, just a 15% craving at this moment.
Every time you have the urge for a ciggarette ,you say to your self " NO" Next morning you will be very proud of your self
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Good luck sam ali! You can do it!

I remember after quitting I loved to sit in smoky pubs and smell the smoke I was missing... :-) Now, it has been almost 2 years since I stopped smoking and I cannot sit more than 5 minutes in a smoky place... I just feel sick of it.

I managed to quit for the 3rd time after 10 years smoking. First attempt was 6 months, then 9 months and now almost 2 years and I wont start it again for sure.

Before quitting I reduced my daily dose for 3 cigarettes. One day I spontaneously stopped. The first 3 months were the hell - I changed my habits and replaced cigarettes with fruits. Stopped drinking for a while. Avoided smoker's company etc. The 1st year was tough, I could start again any time, bit my willpower was bigger. It took me 1 year to stop missing smoking entirely.

Good luck for all of you! It's worthed to quit.
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Allen Carr's Easyway to Stop Smoking. After 30 years of smoking I read this book 2 years ago and haven't had a cigarette since.....
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great book!!! So straight forward. Kicking myself for not stopping sooner... i was smoking since age 12
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

I quite in 1 day, though i was a social smoker. the hardest thing is to not smoke with friends, as you said, and when u drink on the party.
But it is winter soon, so don't smoke inside or at home, and outside it is cold to smoke). Also try to choose places where are non smoking behavior.
Pics with illness also help to some people.
Saving money idea helps. Start with 1 week non smoking... then 1 more week.
Think with short distances)).

Should help!
This Saturday 6 months of my non smoking!))
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Well?

Give us the update!

Did you make it through last night without smokin'?

go on go on go on
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

I quit in 2004 after having very bad bronchitis.

Having a non-smoking wife who kept me straight in the first month did it for me. Now I loath the smell of tobacco/smoking.
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Give us the update!

Did you make it through last night without smokin'?

go on go on go on
Went to the bar, did cave in to having a beer and a wine, but did not buy a packet of smokes or ask anyone for one either.
Need to control the booze drinking, because that is when the craving hit the roof.



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Went to the bar, did cave in to having a beer and a wine, but did not buy a packet of smokes or ask anyone for one either.
Need to control the booze drinking, because that is when the craving hit the roof.



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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Hello,

I was a smoker for about 7-8 years, then, my best friend's father who was a very very heavy smoker one day started to turn blue from his hands. They brought him to emergency, he was already turning blue at his body. They found out that this happens because of the lack of the oxygen in his blood. Then he started to use oxygen support with being attached to a machine. He had to bring the machine everwhere he went.
Still he could not stop smoking, as he was addicted heavily, and basicaly he was continuesly smoking when he was not sleeping, and when he was not attached to the machine.

Then he died. This made me stop smoking.

And, before that I was also wanting to stop, but the same reason as yours, it was going well with partying, having a drink, having a coffee, after eating ,etc.. after that story happened, I did not even want to see one cigarette. And now, I feel uncomfortable with the smoke if I enter a room with a smoking person..
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Another wee tip (One that my father used when he quit... 7 years and counting)

In stead of saying "Ive Quit or Im of them" etc

Say "Im a non smoker"
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Re: Smoking. How to quit?

Hey,

Although I stopped smoking for almost 2 years now, I started to read the Allen Carr book.

I read here many recommendations so I couldn't stop wondering about it. Now I am at page 21. but I find it quite interesting already.
I would like to help my boyfriend, my dad and some of my best friends to quit.

Let's hope it works out. :-)

Good luck for all of you, who recently stopped!

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