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Child benefit eligibility

Left UK in February 2011 and started with a job in Zurich with fairly complicated arrangements. Bottom line is during time at this job (2.2011 till 6.2012) I received no Swiss Child benefit (Kinderzulage)

Started new job for Swiss firm in August 2012 and have no been receiving Kinderzulage.


Now I forgot to inform UK child benefit agency of when I moved out the UK.

Will I need to pay back UK Child benefit for complete period from 2.2011 ?

or since I wasn't receiving any child benefit from Switzerland until 6.2012 will I only need to pay back UK child benefit received since August 2012 ?
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Old 26.10.2012, 13:48
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Re: Child benefit eligibility

You will need a confirmation from the UK that you are not receiving British Child Allowance, before the Swiss will pay you family allowance "Familien Zulage?" You will also need to prove how much your (ex-) partner is claiming from the UK.

Maybe get the Swiss application form and start working from that stand point?
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Re: Child benefit eligibility

No already getting the Swiss Child benefit. but still getting the UK one as well. So gave the UK a call this morning and explained that we left some time ago now I am wondering what will need to be paid back to the UK.

a) everything since we left the UK

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b) just the amount for the period during which I started receiving the Swiss Kinderzulage
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Old 26.10.2012, 14:32
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No already getting the Swiss Child benefit. but still getting the UK one as well. So gave the UK a call this morning and explained that we left some time ago now I am wondering what will need to be paid back to the UK.

a) everything since we left the UK

or

b) just the amount for the period during which I started receiving the Swiss Kinderzulage
I'm not sure what you will have to pay back to the UK but if you do have to pay them the whole lot back then you will be able to claim it here in Switzerland from the time you arrived here. You can claim for up to five years but you will have to prove that you didn't receive it in the UK or as in your case that you have repaid it.

Be prepared for lots of form filling and red tape though.
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Re: Child benefit eligibility

Hi, I cannot be very specific about your particular situation - feel free to say why bother posting ! - but as a rule all over Europe they like you to be paying into and benefiting from one welfare system. I.e. they dont want you getting juicy Swiss child benefit, and then hopping on the plane to go and get some free NHS treatment. Caveat for all the frontaliers. Britain is quite badly administered - they didn't notice you leaving the country after all - but I think the general principle is when paying (and benefitting) from taxes in one country, you don't keep on benefitting from another country you may have contributed to in the past.

We just didn't fill in the forms for Swiss child benefit for a year and a half, and when we did, we got it all retroactively. Ker-ching! I imagine you would too, but I would think the right thing to do would be to pay the UK benefit back. After all the Swiss allowance is greater, so in the end, you will be better off.
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Re: Child benefit eligibility

We had to pay back English child benefit when we moved to Holland in 1998. I am pretty sure that we paid back everything after the date that my husbands job started and he moved onto the dutch system. I guess it's the same if you move to Switzerland.
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We had to pay back English child benefit when we moved to Holland in 1998. I am pretty sure that we paid back everything after the date that my husbands job started and he moved onto the dutch system. I guess it's the same if you move to Switzerland.
I would say that this is the case for the OP too. Taxation systems are very good at making sure they don't overpay you, and if they do, they get it all back. They are allowed to make mistakes. You are not.

That applies to the CH system too.
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Re: Child benefit eligibility

That's really my point though - for the first job I wasn't really in the Swiss System. No Quellensteuern nor AHV. Only since August in the second job has this been sorted out.
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That's really my point though - for the first job I wasn't really in the Swiss System. No Quellensteuern nor AHV. Only since August in the second job has this been sorted out.
I'm not entirely clear about the following: when you left the UK and before you entered the CH system - where were you registered? UK or CH?

If you were paid and taxed out of the UK, then it is right that they should continue paying until you switched to the CH system. The second question is, however, were your complicated arrangements legally correct (note: I am not saying/suggesting you did anyting illegal), and are you now going to find yourself out of pocket?
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Re: Child benefit eligibility

yes possibly out of pocket. I guess I'll have to wait and see !
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The moment the OP got a Swiss residents permit, he ceased to be a UK resident so in theory is not entitled to any UK benefits. Unless of course he wants to claim to be a dual resident & be liable to uk taxes on his Swiss income. Sounds like a potential costly error...........
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