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Totally evil, I'd never give my daughter a Barbie. 19 29.23%
Meh. Who cares. 28 43.08%
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And here we have the real life Barbie. Would you date that?
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It's a damned doll. A piece of plastic. A toy. It doesn't teach your child values, YOU do. If you take the time to teach your child good values and principles, including having both a positive and realistic self-image (recognizing one's strengths as well as setting healthy goals for how one wants to grow and develop through life) then you have NOTHING to fear from Barbie.

Otherwise, this is like saying giving a little boy a toy gun will turn him into a homicidal maniac, which we know is simply not true from all the little boys who were given toy guns and didn't turn into homicidal maniacs.
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It's a damned doll. A piece of plastic. A toy. It doesn't teach your child values, YOU do. If you take the time to teach your child good values and principles, including having both a positive and realistic self-image (recognizing one's strengths as well as setting healthy goals for how one wants to grow and develop through life) then you have NOTHING to fear from Barbie.

Otherwise, this is like saying giving a little boy a toy gun will turn him into a homicidal maniac, which we know is simply not true from all the little boys who were given toy guns and didn't turn into homicidal maniacs.
I agree that it's just a doll. And we do try to teach our values to our girls, and I think we're doing a pretty good job. So far. It's not easy, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't get easier. Still, they have no idea what McDonald's, Barney, Dora the Explorer or Micky Mouse are. They eat what we eat, at the table, don't whine for toys or candy while we are out shopping and when asked what she wanted for her birthday, my nearly four-year old said "A balloon. Well, lots. One for everybody."

Still, maybe Barbie is a bad influence. And toy guns, in my opinion, are totally creepy.
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I agree that it's just a doll. And we do try to teach our values to our girls, and I think we're doing a pretty good job. So far. It's not easy, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't get easier. Still, they have no idea what McDonald's, Barney, Dora the Explorer or Micky Mouse are. They eat what we eat, at the table, don't whine for toys or candy while we are out shopping and when asked what she wanted for her birthday, my nearly four-year old said "A balloon. Well, lots. One for everybody."

Still, maybe Barbie is a bad influence. And toy guns, in my opinion, are totally creepy.
You know, the fact they don't know what McDo, Dora, Barney or Micky Mouse are does not make them better or worse kids than those who either know what these are and don't want them, or those who know what these are and want them..They are so many factors in the game to actually assess accurately, that to judge based on toys or places to eat seems superficial. Just wait till the kids start using their peer group as a referential priority setter. They will want all sorts of crazy stuff.

I really do understand your concerns, but keeping kids in the dark, in terms of what's available on the market, keeping TV, Barbies, Happy Meals and whatnot out of their lives is not really what makes them good. They are part of a wider community, and will be exposed. If they are kept in the dark for too long, though, things backfire. They know you disapprove, so they will most likely sneak out one day and play with that forbidden fruit when mama's not looking. It's easier to expose them, you yourself, with a moderation and a commentary, coz, this way you are actually part of the process and can have your say in how presented it will be. If you deprive them part of the society including products, they will get it, later, and without you having that chance for a moral commentary, and, it might be too late for that, anyways.

I think Barbie represents something more to you, than them. They are kids. They don't have our fears, you should have more faith in them. They can play with sticks and stones, really (they really do love that the most and dirtier the better), or fancy toys they can dress and undress, but they understand a lot more than we think, and are not so bothered. It's us that are reading too much into things and worry too much. Rest your case, maybe arguing with your other part over this is has a worse effect on your kids than actually having that silly shiny toy around. Who knows...It's not our preferred toy around in my household, it's Barbie's horses, to be honest. I should have gotten her fatter horses, innit, so my kiddo does not think all horses should be beautiful and trim. Baaaah

(I grew up with guns around, real ones and toys ones, never killed anyone nor desired to, but actually can work them pretty well..again, it's not the piece of plastic that will set the morals of your kids, and to stereotype gender wise is pointless)
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toy guns, in my opinion, are totally creepy.

Why?

Loved them as a child, used to make my own bow and arrows too (until I got a real bow).

Used to have sword-fights with my sisters too (using curtain rods).

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You know, the fact they don't know what McDo, Dora, Barney or Micky Mouse are does not make them better or worse kids than those who either know what these are and don't want them, or those who know what these are and want them..They are so many factors in the game to actually assess accurately, that to judge based on toys or places to eat seems superficial. Just wait till the kids start using their peer group as a referential priority setter. They will want all sorts of crazy stuff.

I really do understand your concerns, but keeping kids in the dark, in terms of what's available on the market, keeping TV, Barbies, Happy Meals and whatnot out of their lives is not really what makes them good. They are part of a wider community, and will be exposed. If they are kept in the dark for too long, though, things backfire. They know you disapprove, so they will most likely sneak out one day and play with that forbidden fruit when mama's not looking. It's easier to expose them, you yourself, with a moderation and a commentary, coz, this way you are actually part of the process and can have your say in how presented it will be. If you deprive them part of the society including products, they will get it, later, and without you having that chance for a moral commentary, and, it might be too late for that, anyways.

I think Barbie represents something more to you, than them. They are kids. They don't have our fears, you should have more faith in them. They can play with sticks and stones, really (they really do love that the most and dirtier the better), or fancy toys they can dress and undress, but they understand a lot more than we think, and are not so bothered. It's us that are reading too much into things and worry too much. Rest your case, maybe arguing with your other part over this is has a worse effect on your kids than actually having that silly shiny toy around. Who knows...It's not our preferred toy around in my household, it's Barbie's horses, to be honest. I should have gotten her fatter horses, innit, so my kiddo does not think all horses should be beautiful and trim. Baaaah

(I grew up with guns around, real ones and toys ones, never killed anyone nor desired to, but actually can work them pretty well..again, it's not the piece of plastic that will set the morals of your kids, and to stereotype gender wise is pointless)
Whoa, not saying that they are good or bad or better or worse.

I am saying that we are instilling our values as best we can. In our household, eating meals as a family is high up on the values list, as is not whining for everything. TV is off limits for everyone as well.

There are plenty of things we don't teach the kids, including blind obedience or how to use a toothbrush without chewing it to pieces (but oh how I've tried on the toothbrush business). The concern is that Barbie doesn't fit in with our values. And my kids are still really young-2 and 4-so maybe they're too young to see the inside of a McDonalds.

And, by the, way, your assumption about who is anti-Barbie in the household is a pretty strong case of gender stereotyping, don't you think?
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I agree that it's just a doll. And we do try to teach our values to our girls, and I think we're doing a pretty good job. So far. It's not easy, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't get easier. Still, they have no idea what McDonald's, Barney, Dora the Explorer or Micky Mouse are. They eat what we eat, at the table, don't whine for toys or candy while we are out shopping and when asked what she wanted for her birthday, my nearly four-year old said "A balloon. Well, lots. One for everybody."

Still, maybe Barbie is a bad influence. And toy guns, in my opinion, are totally creepy.
Nah, it isn't easy. Nothing worth doing ever is... . Most parents can lose sight of the forest for all the trees in front of them from time to time. Barbie, GI Joe, toy guns (BTW, I wish we had those fancy Nerf foam dart-guns when I was a kid! My nephew has this tripod mounted, battery-operated, belt-fed machine gun that looks like a bright orange version of something from Rambo...) are all trees. The forest is the fact that you love your child and take the time to consider the impact of all the trees around you. Don't lose sight of the love that is inherent in the fact that you care about these details; it is that love which will help your child grow into an amazing person.
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Why?

Loved them as a child, used to make my own bow and arrows too (until I got a real bow).

Used to have sword-fights with my sisters too (using curtain rods).

Tom
Kids running up to other kids and holding a gun to their faces, saying "BAM" and running away? I don't know, it creeps me out. Then again, I come from a long line of conscientious objectors, so maybe that messed with my head. I can't watch movies with violence in them either (like Fight Club..ugh..). My husband actually finds it endearing how un-American I am in this sense.
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Nah, it isn't easy. Nothing worth doing ever is... . Most parents can lose sight of the forest for all the trees in front of them from time to time. Barbie, GI Joe, toy guns (BTW, I wish we had those fancy Nerf foam dart-guns when I was a kid! My nephew has this tripod mounted, battery-operated, belt-fed machine gun that looks like a bright orange version of something from Rambo...) are all trees. The forest is the fact that you love your child and take the time to consider the impact of all the trees around you. Don't lose sight of the love that is inherent in the fact that you care about these details; it is that love which will help your child grow into an amazing person.
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Whoa, not saying that they are good or bad or better or worse.

I am saying that we are instilling our values as best we can. In our household, eating meals as a family is high up on the values list, as is not whining for everything. TV is off limits for everyone as well.

There are plenty of things we don't teach the kids, including blind obedience or how to use a toothbrush without chewing it to pieces (but oh how I've tried on the toothbrush business). The concern is that Barbie doesn't fit in with our values. And my kids are still really young-2 and 4-so maybe they're too young to see the inside of a McDonalds.

And, by the, way, your assumption about who is anti-Barbie in the household is a pretty strong case of gender stereotyping, don't you think?
True, true..And I like how thoughtful you are about what you want in your kids lives and what you don't want, seriously. As a teacher, though, seeing kids perform and take control, without teacher's help and without their folks being there, I also know they are strong and independent, I have faith in kid's inner guidance. I think adults often over estimate their influence on kids. It's hard for me to see them as little robots who will be easily brainwashed. It's the fact you take so much care that is influencing them, they feel all the TLC. It's not the fact, though, that Barbie either is or is not around them.

I was worried about my little one when she watches that horrific push with TV commercials when back home, since the commercials are way more intrusive there, louder than other programs and flat out lying about certain stuff. I also happen to prepare for comm theories exam, and language in media is a big part of it, so I analyzed kid's perception, got stats and data on kids' TV commercial regulations and read up on this, ick, horror. But then all it took was to turn the commercial down a bit and explain that they are trying to push on kids so parents buy stuff, what they say isn't really true (no, there really isn't much nutritious in Nutella) and that we make our own mind over what we need or not. I was surprised how easy it went, she does the occasional silly Bobik dance (it's a kid snack commercial when a cartoon sings crazy songs and dances) or mimics voices or songs (multilingual kids have better memory for jingles and short commercial tunes since they will mostly hear languages musically) but has never asked me single time to actually have it bought. Funny thing is, it's her grandparents who fall for those commercials more and get her stuff they see advertised on TV, makes me laugh. So they stuff the frigo with this kid food and get her kid toys when we get there. I don't mind nor tell my folks to easy up on this, for one they don't see her that often so they want to make her happy, the second thing is, if she didn't have it at all, she would probably crave it. This way she can taste it and see for herself, it really isn't worth all the fuss.

So, Barbie, she seems to represent way more in our minds than what kids actually soak up..If you comment, make your kids worry about teddy bears who need TLC and other toys who need kid's attention, you make them responsible little parents of their toys, I think it can serve a purpose, really. It's different than just dumping fancy toys on kids to justify the time we are supposed to spend with them and we don't. It's the time we spend with them and how we spend it, that matters..not the toys. You can use Barbie to beat exactly that one nasty thing that people dislike Barbie for, you can use it to say, she could use a bit of fattening up and no, not all the world has Barbie body. You can have the doll wear, say, historical outfits, hahahah, very non sexy in the standard way..
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I think they should make a "Postpartum Barbie" -- complete with saggy boobs, a flabby belly, circles under the eyes and a bottle of anti-depressants.

Maybe that would help keep little girls from having babies too young.

I remember once, when I was about 8 years old, I went to a new friend's house for the first time and was surprised to see that pubic hair had been drawn on all of her barbies with magic marker. Barbie even had little tampons. Apparently, her mom was using Barbie to teach her a few things...
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CarrieF you made me lol . Very inspirational.

Anyways, despite having a couple of Barbies around in da house, my 5yr old's heros are these:



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I think they should make a "Postpartum Barbie" -- complete with saggy boobs, a flabby belly, circles under the eyes and a bottle of anti-depressants.

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Lol.

I think that's actually Skin Cancer Barbie.

(aka Bad-Boob-Job Barbie).
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I don't think I would mind at all playing with this Ken nom nom nom Bradalicous.
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I don't think she's evil, but people who 'worship' her are so creepy! Real-Life Barbie Doll: Model Transforms into Doll-Like Image
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How about Walmart Barbie? What? Not enough fantasy?
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I don't think she's evil, but people who 'worship' her are so creepy! Real-Life Barbie Doll: Model Transforms into Doll-Like Image
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