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Old 23.11.2012, 22:30
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

In my canton there is an organisation called Accueil Familiale and they offer child carers only assessed by income, minimum I think is 20 centimes per hour and maximum 6. 50 an hour. Your village commune willhavemore info.
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Thats living well beyond your means, surely you don't advocate that?
Unfortunately, there are many people ( yes, even in Switzerland) who have no choice but to be spending 100% of their salary each month.

Whilst it is easy for those of us on decent salaries to live on a lot lower percentage, there is a limit to how small a budget can be, and still have anything left over. Life isn't easy for everyone.

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Old 23.11.2012, 22:56
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

FFS I was actually tempted to groan people tonight something I never normally do but the replies on this thread are pretty shocking even for EF. If you have kids you only qualify for unemployment benefit if your kids are taken care of now! Not when you get a job but right now while you are still looking. That means you have to front up the full 100% krippe fee on your benefits so full time child care fees on a reduced income. Given that not everybody is in huge salaries here that can mean breaking point for some people.
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Thats living well beyond your means, surely you don't advocate that?
Unfortunately, there are many people ( yes, even in Switzerland) who have no choice but to be spending 100% of their salary each month.

Whilst it is easy for those of us on decent salaries to live on a lot lower percentage, there is a limit to how small a budget can be, and still have anything left over. Life isn't easy for everyone.
Cut your fixed costs, cheaper flat, no leased cars or anything stupid like that! Just stick to essentials like an iPhone LOL

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Old 23.11.2012, 22:57
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

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She asked for subsidies, isn't 70-80% of your last salary sufficient ?
The OP has not mentioned anything about his/her situation.
Are you jumping the gun here?
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

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The more than genrous un-emplyoment benfits aren't enough ?

Anyway if you are un-employed, what is the need of a krippe on a regular ful time basis, to work on the side maybe ?
For when the rav forces you to take some job or class 3 hours a day. And you need to pay for full day of krippe.

You can't just drop in and out of krippe as you like. You need to reserve and commit.
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Old 23.11.2012, 23:32
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For when the rav forces you to take some job or class 3 hours a day. And you need to pay for full day of krippe.

You can't just drop in and out of krippe as you like. You need to reserve and commit.
Either your available to work or your not! It's insurance against lost income, not some extended holiday.
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So you expect the taxpayers to fund everything you do, you already get unemployment benefits why should you get extra just because you have kids and are unemployed?
OK really, I hate it when people complain about where their taxes go, their hard earned money, and in this instance even it is completely ridiculous. First of all the taxes will not pay for unemployment, and second everybody works for their money.If you are unemployed and get benefits, you get them because you paid unemployment insurance otherwise you are out of luck.
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Cut your fixed costs, cheaper flat, no leased cars or anything stupid like that! Just stick to essentials like an iPhone LOL
Good grief! Fixed costs are easy to cut IF you are on a good enough salary to be spending above the poverty level. Cheaper flat? What do lower income people do once they are already scraping the barrell, living in the cheapest accomodation they can find ? Leased cars? I see a lot of people who are getting around on foot with a raggedy old buggy for the children. I doubt that any of them have ever even lightly considered getting a leased car. Not everyone is as wealthy as some of us. iphone? What's that???

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Old 24.11.2012, 00:36
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

Plus for a lot of furrners the kinderkrippe is an important part of the child's development - as that is where they learn the local language thus giving them an important head start at kindergarten.

Logically it is a no-brainer to take your kids out of krippe if you lose your job. Unfortunately RAV will deem that as you being unavailable for work as you do not have childcare arranged.

To the OP, there are subsidised krippe places for lower income families - not sure how you apply for it but it was mentioned to us when we were looking for a place for nickatbaseljnr. We didn't qualify as I earn above the EF poverty wage.

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Old 24.11.2012, 02:59
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So you expect the taxpayers to fund everything you do, you already get unemployment benefits why should you get extra just because you have kids and are unemployed?
Well, considering that the men in this country never seem to actually be responsible for children (in a legal or cultural sense).. what do you expect when all this responsibility is foisted upon women and only women? Are they supposed to sit at home while you get to live your life?
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Well, considering that the men in this country never seem to actually be responsible for children (in a legal or cultural sense).. what do you expect when all this responsibility is foisted upon women and only women? Are they supposed to sit at home while you get to live your life?

What the f are you on about. This has nothing to do with the whole discussion . ugh likely to be one of those people that turns everything into a sexist argument. Dont even know if the OP is a woman
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Dont even know if the OP is a woman
The OP is a man.
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what do you expect when all this responsibility is foisted upon women and only women?
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

Leased cars?

I never knew such poverty existed.

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Logically it is a no-brainer to take your kids out of krippe if you lose your job. Unfortunately RAV will deem that as you being unavailable for work as you do not have childcare arranged.
And if your relationship has broken down and suddenly you find yourself supporting a child and trying to work, make ends meet, and afford childcare, then you're definitely fighting an uphill battle. I know 4 people who use subsidised childcare in Zurich, three are single parents, one has a low income primary earner on shift work, and the second earner works part time and juggles the kids.

If anyone needs help finding subsidised childcare around Zurich, please feel free to PM me. You won't get judgemental assumptions about whether or not you can 'afford' childcare on unemployment insurance, or whether you should have 'downsized' your lifestyle..
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What the f are you on about. This has nothing to do with the whole discussion . ugh likely to be one of those people that turns everything into a sexist argument. Dont even know if the OP is a woman
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Cut your fixed costs, cheaper flat, no leased cars or anything stupid like that! Just stick to essentials like an iPhone LOL
Lets assume a couple had a good income, a correct apartment, etc.

To get out of your rental contract might not be possible right away and can take a while. Transferring all your bills and utilities cost money. Packing and moving takes a lot of time and cost a lot of money.

Lets assume one has a leased car. One can't drop the lease just like that without being penalized which will cost lots of money too.

You need to put a deposit on the new home which you don't necessary have this amount of cash available.

iPhone? Well, it is probable already paid. If not, you'll get penalized to cancel your contract and it will cost again lots of money.

One needs to be full time available if one wants to work. If one moves, it means one isn't available for work. How one can be reach if no phone? Changing addresses is time consuming too.
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A lot of unemployed people do not get any unemployment benefits- either because they didn't contribute for long enough, or because they have run out of unemployment benefit limits - or because they stayed at home for a few years to look after young children, etc, etc.
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