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Total nonsense.

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Have a child out of wedlock as a man and see if you ever get to see your child-- I think you need to prove the mother is somehow deficient. Be a woman with a young child and see how employers run away.

I'm not trolling, the child custody laws in this country are wildly dogmatic and sexist. The people ultimately hurt are the children... and to a lesser degree, all the men and women that don't fit into the mold of the stay-at-home mom or the career-minded father that wants to "parent" once a month.

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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

I forgot to mention that this thread is a prime example of how dreadful EF has become lately. The OP asked a valid question and the thread got hijacked by a lot of Daily Mail readers who frankly don't know their nates from their cubitum.

The moderators have not been doing their job properly - anything that was not a direct answer to the OP was nothing more than spam and trolling and should have been deleted.

A lot of people use the EF as an unofficial search engine - so search for subsidised kinderkrippe places and you will come up with the tidal wave of verbal garbage that lives on this thread.

The trolls have won and EF has outlived its usefulness.

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I forgot to mention that this thread is a prime example of how dreadful EF has become lately. The OP asked a valid question and the thread got hijacked by a lot of Daily Mail readers who frankly don't know their nates from their cubitum.

The moderators have not been doing their job properly - anything that was not a direct answer to the OP was nothing more than spam and trolling and should have been deleted.

A lot of people use the EF as an unofficial search engine - so search for subsidised kinderkrippe places and you will come up with the tidal wave of verbal garbage that lives on this thread.

The trolls have won and EF has outlived its usefulness.

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in your opinion your answer has no place in the thread, why not post it in the right place?
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

Proving my point.

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Proving my point.
No just showing how self important you are.You even edited your own post to reflect my opinion, then red ripped me!

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I forgot to mention that this thread is a prime example of how dreadful EF has become lately. The OP asked a valid question and the thread got hijacked by a lot of Daily Mail readers who frankly don't know their nates from their cubitum.

The moderators have not been doing their job properly - anything that was not a direct answer to the OP was nothing more than spam and trolling and should have been deleted.

A lot of people use the EF as an unofficial search engine - so search for subsidised kinderkrippe places and you will come up with the tidal wave of verbal garbage that lives on this thread.

The trolls have won and EF has outlived its usefulness.

Note to the mods.....in answer to fatmans later post...feel free to move this to a more appropriate place as I can't be fagged.

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while i have some sympathy for your view. like any normal discussion, the conversation can branch off into different areas.

it would be easier if people used the threaded mode to follow the different directions, but it is easy to filter and respond only to the parts you're interested in. e.g. this response is in your branch which has taken a different direction.

i personally think it is fine to have these contained in a single thread. if a branch grows significantly, it can always be branched off into its own thread.
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Plus for a lot of furrners the kinderkrippe is an important part of the child's development - as that is where they learn the local language thus giving them an important head start at kindergarten.

Logically it is a no-brainer to take your kids out of krippe if you lose your job. Unfortunately RAV will deem that as you being unavailable for work as you do not have childcare arranged.

To the OP, there are subsidised krippe places for lower income families - not sure how you apply for it but it was mentioned to us when we were looking for a place for nickatbaseljnr. We didn't qualify as I earn above the EF poverty wage.

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i think it would be nice to have *cheap* krippes.

the cost is so high, that some people i know are effectively working for the krippe as the money they earn only just covers the krippe costs.
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Lets assume a couple had a good income, a correct apartment, etc.

To get out of your rental contract might not be possible right away and can take a while. Transferring all your bills and utilities cost money. Packing and moving takes a lot of time and cost a lot of money.

Lets assume one has a leased car. One can't drop the lease just like that without being penalized which will cost lots of money too.

You need to put a deposit on the new home which you don't necessary have this amount of cash available.

iPhone? Well, it is probable already paid. If not, you'll get penalized to cancel your contract and it will cost again lots of money.

One needs to be full time available if one wants to work. If one moves, it means one isn't available for work. How one can be reach if no phone? Changing addresses is time consuming too.
Surely people out there are saving a proportion of their income in case of job loss or other circumstances? Unemployment benefits are only 70/80% of previous income and it doesn't kick in instantly. It is also capped, so it might be a huge shock for some people to live on 10k a month.

I personally wouldn't feel safe and content today if I didn't have sufficient savings for a rainy day. We have been through joblessness with kids and daycare bills and we adjusted our variable costs eg. entertainment, gadgets and holidays.

Sorry, I don't buy the low-income can't save argument. You can always do something to supplement your income - ie take a second job or set up your own business. Friends work at gas stations on a Sunday or in shops as extra staff in the run-up to Christmas. Others trade collectibles, run beauty/baking/decorating classes and sell things online.
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Re: Cost of Krippe for Unemployed

OP, if you ended up stranded, contact immediately your Commune, the social center that places kids in day cares and calculates costs. In fact, if you are afraid of maybe getting in a bad situation anytime soon, go there tomorrow. Communes have different criteria of help, but they will subsidize and recalculate, they are used to acting fast. For those who nag about their cash feeding people on unemployment and subsidizing, the min OP is up on his feet and working, he will be charged. Marie-Zug's point is very valid, by the way, too, you have to have some savings to fall on when you have kids in this country. The system also counts on you putting some cash aside, though, so they might not strip you of all in order to have you eligible to subsidize. But you need to go and talk to them, everything is a matter of time and if you show your willingness to fix your situation asap, they will most likely be very very helpful. People complain about inflexibility, while it's these emergency situations officers that are heros here for being amazingly flexible. Good luck to OP and his family, should he need it.
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Surely people out there are saving a proportion of their income in case of job loss or other circumstances? Unemployment benefits are only 70/80% of previous income and it doesn't kick in instantly. It is also capped, so it might be a huge shock for some people to live on 10k a month.

I personally wouldn't feel safe and content today if I didn't have sufficient savings for a rainy day. We have been through joblessness with kids and daycare bills and we adjusted our variable costs eg. entertainment, gadgets and holidays.

Sorry, I don't buy the low-income can't save argument. You can always do something to supplement your income - ie take a second job or set up your own business. Friends work at gas stations on a Sunday or in shops as extra staff in the run-up to Christmas. Others trade collectibles, run beauty/baking/decorating classes and sell things online.
I agree with all you said here. But since your answer was for my post, I will like to add that having money on the side for tough days wouldn't be used to pay all expenses of a move but to assure bills will be paid and food will still be on the table.
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Surely people out there are saving a proportion of their income in case of job loss or other circumstances? . It is also capped, so it might be a huge shock for some people to live on 10k a month....

I personally wouldn't feel safe and content today if I didn't have sufficient savings for a rainy day. ..

Sorry, I don't buy the low-income can't save argument. You can always do something to supplement your income - ie take a second job or set up your own business. .
Yes, I would be shocked if Isuddenly found I had a 10K monthly salary.

You are missing the point that unfortunately some people do not earn enough to be putting anything aside.

Sure, people can (try to) take on a second job ( if they have the skills) but, what to do with the child(ren) during that time? Oh yes, put them in a creche. Can't afford that. Is there a subsidy available...... see where your argument has a bit of a flaw?
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Have a child out of wedlock as a man and see if you ever get to see your child-- I think you need to prove the mother is somehow deficient. Be a woman with a young child and see how employers run away.

I'm not trolling, the child custody laws in this country are wildly dogmatic and sexist. The people ultimately hurt are the children... and to a lesser degree, all the men and women that don't fit into the mold of the stay-at-home mom or the career-minded father that wants to "parent" once a month.
What on earth are you on about? My personal experiences are nothing like what you describe. Perhaps your own negativity is at play here?
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You are missing the point that unfortunately some people do not earn enough to be putting anything aside.

Sure, people can (try to) take on a second job ( if they have the skills) but, what to do with the child(ren) during that time? Oh yes, put them in a creche. Can't afford that. Is there a subsidy available...... see where your argument has a bit of a flaw?
My post mentioned Sunday jobs and creating your own business - hence no need for childcare. Skills can be learned - I guess you have been lucky enough to have never had to retrain in something new to get work.

I don't agree with having to keep paying full-time child care in order to apply for full-time RAV. Then again, I think that applying for RAV and going to interviews is a waste of time. Spending that time learning, retraining and job seeking paid off in our case and a new job came up before the payment would have kicked in.
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My post mentioned Sunday jobs and creating your own business - hence no need for childcare. Skills can be learned. Guess you have been lucky enough to have never had to retrain in something new to get work.
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Guessing is perhaps worse than presuming.
Actually, I consider myself to be one of the very lucky ones for quite the reverse reasons. However, I hope I never get so complacent about my own life, to expect that what I have done/can do, is achievable, possible, feasible or even desirable for everyone else.
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Guessing is perhaps worse than presuming.
Actually, I consider myself to be one of the very lucky ones for quite the reverse reasons. However, I hope I never get so complacent about my own life, to expect that what I have done/can do, is achievable, possible, feasible or even desirable for everyone else.
I posted about getting a job/starting your own business to earn money. Not exactly something that isn't "is achievable, possible, feasible" for anyone. You may have a point though with "desirable".
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I posted about getting a job/starting your own business to earn money. Not exactly something that isn't "is achievable, possible, feasible" for anyone. You may have a point though with "desirable".
But not everyone has the capacity, the knowledge, the money or the ideas of starting a company.
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MarieZug, though I admire your enthusiasm I think you're living in a very sheltered world. Your attitude is very condescending toward the many working poors in Switzerland, who have to do shitty job because they were not lucky enough to do the right studies at the right time. And going back to school is not always an option.

Do you think my OH is a cleaner with shitty wages for pleasure? Not everybody can have a safe enough job allowing you to save 10-20% of your salary every month for rainy day.
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It's obvious that not everyone can juggle everyday expences and saving at least a little bit for bad times when having kids. But having a back up plan (I am not saying having a sum saved up) is for most parents I know part of parenting and being reliable and dependable, not just for the little ones, but oneself, too.

I hate to intepret MZ's posts, but I know for sure if you show up with her attitude at the Centre social du accueil pour la journee d'enfant or whatever it is called in your area, you will be helped and so fast. Planning things out and making calls, etc., doesn't cost you anything, and selfsufficiency as a goal is rewarded. Just don't forget to ask there, report, share your plans and info you already got. If you show up expecting subsidies since you paid in and now you want an entitled pay back and services, you might not encounter the same amount of willingness to be helped out. And, if you come with activities and strategies already sought out and planned, not even executed, you will find out, it's not only Krippe costs you will end up being helped with.

You got kids, you gotta brainstorm. And the circles of local parents and moms, most of all, are an incredible source of information. People help eachother out, it's not only social services. And when social services see people reaching out, they really support. It's the info that a lot of folks lack when they happen to find themselves screwed, so don't flame a person offering constructive advice, no matter how offensive you might happen to interpret it. If people wish to not have things aired here, pm those who mentioned strategies that might be helpful, please.

For that, I am really glad we have local moms and parents, overall all well informed, smart members, who share priceless info with the rest of the community.
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MarieZug, though I admire your enthusiasm I think you're living in a very sheltered world. Your attitude is very condescending toward the many working poors in Switzerland, who have to do shitty job because they were not lucky enough to do the right studies at the right time. And going back to school is not always an option.

Do you think my OH is a cleaner with shitty wages for pleasure? Not everybody can have a safe enough job allowing you to save 10-20% of your salary every month for rainy day.
Sheltered world? Hmm...not exactly, I come from a world where our parents actually do those "shitty" jobs.
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Does anybody know if there are subsidies available for child care if you are unemployed?
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Subsidies work differently in different Cantons or even different towns. In Zurich, the local town halls (Gemeinde) have childcares where subsidies are available. The best thing would be to find out from your local Gemeinde website which childcare centres (Krippe/Kita) are connected to them, and then enquire directly to the childcare centre.

For the city of zurich the links are here:
http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/...tas/kitas.html
Not sure what the point of the rest of the thread was. It was a simple question, not a demand for the collected blood of all your first born children.
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