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Old 13.12.2012, 20:47
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Oh please. Not many people have seen these things, and those that have.... tapping the head and repeating phrases to deal with it? I doubt it. You are moving quite far along the spectrum there are you not? May I suggest a modicum of perspective be added to your weekly shopping list too.
Well, okay, I know it's a bit extreme, but this is the story of my extended family and the story of many people leaving a lot of countries as refugees.

Most of the people I know with extreme trauma did not find freedom through mainstream psychiatry though all tried seeing a psychiatrist and a couple had stays in hospital for short-term shock (I'm not sure what it's called, when the patient is basically catatonic for about a month, then suddenly recovered, with mild after-effects). The experience that's been related to me is that psychiatrists often put the patient in a very victim-oriented role, where complacency is rewarded. And in order to get through trauma, this has not been useful for the people I know. I've heard of anything from acupuncture, exercise, "mind-over-matter", coaching, etc..

To each their own, but I would not presume to know what someone else is going through and belittle their experience. This method seems rather harmless, even if it's a placebo effect-- and, the most commonly prescribed anti-depressants at this point are no better than placebo... and somehow I would hypothesis that alternative therapy practitioners might be better at emotionally supporting and empowering their patients vs. a cold psychiatrist that prescribes an SSRI to every patient.
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Old 13.12.2012, 21:09
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And I suppose you work for nothing? How do you think people are supposed to pay for their rent, food, etc? How much is reasonable do you think?

I bet you think all healing is a God-given gift and all doctors should work for nothing too.
You miss the point completely. You can learn the technique in minutes and that's it, you're up and running. This is what you've told us so why do you need to charge hundreds of dollars for this?

The DVDs are crap and repetitive. I know because I bought the complete bloody set for my wife. They are not worth the postage let alone the cost themselves. Yes I have tapped many many times for a whole series of things, and no there were no lasting benefits.

Oh, and according to Gary Craig healing is a God given gift, but don't bring doctors into it. Different thing altogether.

And before I forget, I quite often work for free. In the long run it pays off with more paid work. It's quite common for musicians to do this.
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There are many reasons why people charge a lot for their services. Maybe they have too much work and it is a way to limit the amount to a more managable volume. As an example, my brother-in-law who is a builder always charges over the odds when he has too much work on. If people really want his services, they will pay it, otherwise they will go elsewhere. He is well known and is never short of work. This is obviously the same principle that works for these people doing workshops etc. As I said, if you dont like it, dont pay for it. (but of course, you ignored that part of my previous reply)

Some healing methods require a certain persistence to find the most effective way to address a condition. The first couple of attempts may not work as effectively as is required. This is standard practice in all kinds of health matters since we are not all the same and react differently.

EFT is primarily a mind/body interaction as far as I can tell, so if the patient is not receptive to this method, then maybe another method would be better for them and more effective. You seem to have missed one of the main points of EFT which is repetition and flexibility. Repetition on different aspects of an issue and flexibility to see where the tapping takes you in your search for sub-issues which may bring relief.

Do not blame the method of delivery if you do not accept that it may not be the right one for you. It is like saying that just because asperin does not work to cure your headache, then all allopathic medicine is rubbish. It works for some people.
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You seem to have missed one of the main points of EFT which is repetition and flexibility. Repetition on different aspects of an issue and flexibility to see where the tapping takes you in your search for sub-issues which may bring relief.
Absolute rubbish - you do not know me. I made a promise to my wife who is into tapping that I would give it a really good go. I would do 3-4 tapping sessions each of 8-9-10 rounds each day for almost 2 years working on the things that came up from the previous rounds.

Do not tell me that I missed repetition and flexibility.

Also most of the DVDs are some guy with a wobbly camera in the back of an auditorium filming a seminar with little to no editing. I would be ashamed to charge hundreds of dollars for such rubbish.

EFT may work for some people but only in the same way as a sugar pill.
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Do not blame the method of delivery if you do not accept that it may not be the right one for you. It is like saying that just because asperin does not work to cure your headache, then all allopathic medicine is rubbish. It works for some people.
If you use your search function you will see that I recommended somebody to try EFT for a problem they had and recommended the videos on youtube, before you even joined the forum.
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nigelr...and if you read my last post you will see that I did not address you specifically. You can take this all personally if you want to, but I am not 'getting at' anyone since we all have had different experiences and all approach health and healing in a different way. No, I dont know you and I have not done a search on you or your previous posts. This is not realistic to do for everyone who posts and so I have to try to answer some of the points raised without any recourse to previous comments or recommendations.

This thread was to bring up the subject for discussion and to try and find out if there were any members who had used it. I am pleased to see you have used it and found out that it was not something you want to keep trying with. Just like honey and lemon for colds, EFT is something some people get along with and find beneficial and some people dont.
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Just like honey and lemon for colds, EFT is something some people get along with and find beneficial and some people dont.
Ah, this conversation was had already and we discovered... if you had whisky to the lemon (with hot water, cloves and sugar) its very good for you.

Or, if your not a big fan of whisky then adding Tequila to the lemon works wonders.

OR, if tequila or whisky are not for you then you can add Corona to the lemon.

What a versatile fruit

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I've heard of anything from acupuncture, exercise, "mind-over-matter", coaching, etc..

To each their own, but I would not presume to know what someone else is going through and belittle their experience. This method seems rather harmless, even if it's a placebo effect-- and, the most commonly prescribed anti-depressants at this point are no better than placebo... and somehow I would hypothesis that alternative therapy practitioners might be better at emotionally supporting and empowering their patients vs. a cold psychiatrist that prescribes an SSRI to every patient.
Just get out there and live your life to the fullest, which means do what gives you joy. Its the best medicine there is.
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I have not read all so posts so please excuse me if someone else have mentioned this already.

Buy the book "Mind Power" by James Borg.

Read it and implement.
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There's some good posts on this thread amongst the bum fluff.

I've seen tapping cognitive therapy practiced, but not had any success with it. There are a bunch of self-help methods out there that will all tell you the same kind of thing. And that is that about 80% of your thoughts are nothing to do with reality, rather they are concerned with stuff that you've made up and treat as being "facts".

Once you've programmed your amygdala to react as you thought that you should, it's very difficult to re-program your actions when a similar set of circumstances occur.

I would recommend a book that ElggDK put me onto: "Mind Power" by James Borg (ISBN: 978-0-273-73007-1).

Here are a few of the key points lifted from that book:

Do you control your mind or does your mind control you?

You are what you think.

Thoughts are electrical impulses that trigger chemical releases in the brain which either give you a buzz, or spiral you down. So if you keep your thoughts positive, the chemicals make you feel good.

Take this example: You're laying on the beach feeling good about life on vacation. Suddenly you get a phone call that someone close to you has died. What are the processes going on at that moment? Nothing has actually happened to you, but your thoughts will invariably be negative, poor person, so young, but I only saw them last week, what about their kids, etc. You immediately assume a kind of mental mourning and your attitude to life and the whole day will have been negatively transformed. Assume that the phone rings again; there's been a terrible mix up, lost in translation, it was your friend's parrot that died, not the friend. What do you feel now? Relief, a buzz, hey, it wasn't that bad, you might even see some humor in the situation as it's not the tragedy you assumed. Do you see what is happening? You actually haven't witnessed anything, but your emotions have been on a roller coaster ride just because of your thoughts.

We do this all the time. We over generalize, we make sweeping assumptions based on minimal experience. You once went to Paris and the waiter forgot your order, so you tell your friends that Paris has "lousy service" and they clearly "hate foreigners". Not true, but you've just created a rule that's stored in your amygdala that now expects you to get treated poorly.

I could go on, it's a fascinating subject. Whether you tap your chakra nodes, chant or simply meditate, the power of your mind is at your disposal. Just load the happy software.

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I have not read all so posts so please excuse me if someone else have mentioned this already.

Buy the book "Mind Power" by James Borg.

Read it and implement.
Ahh....of course.

Great minds think alike
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eh...I think if everyone smoked a doobie on regular basis the World would be a better place....
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eh...I think if everyone smoked a doobie on regular basis the World would be a better place....
Obviously you have never experienced the negative side of being an addict......
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Obviously you have never experienced the negative side of being an addict......
never been never will...not the addictive type of chap ...tried to develop alcohol addiction but failed miserably on numerous occasions

besides...I think one cannot be addicted to marihuana in the sense of how one is addicted to heroin and cocaine right?
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Ahh....of course.

Great minds think alike
Yup, but the book seems to register better in the male mind than in the female one
It's written for men, I could never give up all the minute details I pay attention to all the time.
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never been never will...not the addictive type of chap ...tried to develop alcohol addiction but failed miserably on numerous occasions

besides...I think one cannot be addicted to marihuana in the sense of how one is addicted to heroin and cocaine right?

I think your right... but... ..

I dont know where to begin lol.

Maybe some people have an addictive personality?

I look at my sister... She has a joint first thing in the morning. One in the car. one at lunch, after work, evening time etc. I wouldnt care but she has 3 kids. Oldest being 12 & at the age where he knows what Mammys "special cigarettes" are.

She says she is not addicted but at the same time more she wouldn't know how to face the day with out one.

I have a couple friends who still smoke (we all did when we were "at that age" ) They cant be arsed to leave the house. Put the bare minimum hours of work in then literally spend the rest of the day smoking.

They use the 24hr tesco so they wont have to see anyone on the rare occasion they venture out. . . .

But inrelation to withdrawls i cant imagine it physcially being anything like herion. Think its more psychological?
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Hmmmm I honestly try to keep an open mind...as long as said therapy makes you feel better, does not make you dependent and does not send you to bankrupcy then by all means go ahead...
I found this nice article, this sounds like a scam to me but hey, if this works for you...
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If you want to open this up further, take a look at the "Family Constellations" or "Familienstellen" organized events.

In a group of about 10 people, each takes their turn to address situations that have become problems in their lives. The initiator picks a person to represent them and the therapists have them select key members of their family (usually the mother and father) plus any strong emotions that are at play, like guilt or rage. Each of the nominated people sense the energy created between the others and the whole scenario becomes fluid until the crux of the problem is localized.

Each session ends when the natural order of the family line is restored and everyone is basically reset to the way we were created, so the first born ahead of the second, grandparents before parents etc. It's a little tricky to explain in words, because the whole situation pretty much plays out without the great use of vocabulary. It's about giving back problems that aren't your own to the person that created them and also accepting your position in the natural sequence of events. What this boils down to in essence, is that you have no right to judge or assess your parents or their parents, because without them you wouldn't exist. It's not "Back to the Future" even if the logic is similar.
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If you want to open this up further, take a look at the "Family Constellations" or "Familienstellen" organized events.

In a group of about 10 people, each takes their turn to address situations that have become problems in their lives. The initiator picks a person to represent them and the therapists have them select key members of their family (usually the mother and father) plus any strong emotions that are at play, like guilt or rage. Each of the nominated people sense the energy created between the others and the whole scenario becomes fluid until the crux of the problem is localized.

Each session ends when the natural order of the family line is restored and everyone is basically reset to the way we were created, so the first born ahead of the second, grandparents before parents etc. It's a little tricky to explain in words, because the whole situation pretty much plays out without the great use of vocabulary. It's about giving back problems that aren't your own to the person that created them and also accepting your position in the natural sequence of events. What this boils down to in essence, is that you have no right to judge or assess your parents or their parents, because without them you wouldn't exist. It's not "Back to the Future" even if the logic is similar.

Thats really interesting! I think Giving people back their own problems is a great (Although sometimes extreamly difficult) thing to do.

I think alot of people would feel a weight lifted if they could do so !
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I guess this is role-playing with people playing the roles of father/mother/gparents etc and you address them as if you were addressing the actual family members ? Yes, that sounds like it could be really powerful and helpful. I have done various therapies with breathing and water and things and I think I might need more of a hands-on approach such as what you are suggesting with the Family Constellations. Although I dont want to do that right now.

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I think that we glorify our parents too much and make them into almost Gods where they can do no wrong. However, I would like to think that parents and siblings are no different from other people and if you like them you will want to hang out with them and if you dont like them, it should be OK to just go on with your life without them being part of it. I think that to force the whole "Family" thing is not a good idea and can lead to huge arguments which would not arise if you all just realised that you dont dont HAVE to see each other regularly. If you believe in reincarnation, it all pretty much fits into that, because your mother could have been your sister in another lifetime.... but that is another topic right there, and we have enough controversy for one thread - it seems.
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besides...I think one cannot be addicted to marihuana in the sense of how one is addicted to heroin and cocaine right?
Most problem drug addictions are at least as much psychological as physical in nature, so although some, like opiates, can have some very strong physical withdrawal symptoms, the problem for would be 'recovering' addicts is that normally they've become addicted because they like the effects they get, and become psychologically, rather than physically, dependent on them, and this can be just as difficult to deal with for drugs like marijuana as it is for 'hard', physically-addictive, ones like heroin.

I once experienced this effect, when I'd been using prescription morphine for about three months following an accident. Taking it regularly allowed me to just not give a sh1t about anything, which for a while was great. For instance I was aware of issues I needed to start addressing - like telling the insurance where to get the damaged motorbike from so they could deal with it - but it really didn't seem to bother me that I hadn't done so.

Oddly though, the knowledge that I should be bothered but was not was what really bothered me. I was in any case reducing the dosage as pain levels decreased but this feeling, that I was aware that to get my life back on track I needed to be able to give a sh1t again, was certainly a factor in helping me to not become 'addicted'.

For many addicts, though, it's precisely this feeling that they need. Their lives have often become so shit, due to or incidental with their addictions, that they just can't face up to reality any more, so need to continue 'using' just to be able to not face up to it. Being weaned off the physical effects of the drug does nothing to address this, so when it all gets too much again it's all too easy to relapse.
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