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Who to see for balanced nutrition / fitness / health (inc. blood work)

Can anyone recommend how to go about finding help with arranging a balanced plan for nutrition, fitness, and health, including having blood work (like measuring hormone levels, etc.) in Switzerland? I don't need a personal "RAH RAH you can do it!" trainer, rather someone to administer blood tests, give me periodic stress tests, maybe measure VO2-max, and help me to arrange exercise and diet based on the results.

My doctor says I am basically healthy and get enough exercise, so blood work and stress tests are not necessary (even though I am willing to pay). Is there some sort of non-doctor health-care professional I should be looking for?
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i am not sure...as far as know...blood tests can be only taken by doctors in switzerland. you may look for a lifestylemanager...
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Can anyone recommend how to go about finding help with arranging a balanced plan for nutrition, fitness, and health, including having blood work (like measuring hormone levels, etc.) in Switzerland? I don't need a personal "RAH RAH you can do it!" trainer, rather someone to administer blood tests, give me periodic stress tests, maybe measure VO2-max, and help me to arrange exercise and diet based on the results.

My doctor says I am basically healthy and get enough exercise, so blood work and stress tests are not necessary (even though I am willing to pay). Is there some sort of non-doctor health-care professional I should be looking for?

Ask the Co-op! They'll meet all your nutritional expectations with their wonderful products.

Then ask that tattooed fellow down at the local gym, (the one in the vest) about fitness.

Don't believe a word your doctor says either; of course you're not fit, how can you be if you've spent all these years since your birth indulging in doing everything wrong.
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Old 29.12.2012, 19:37
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Can anyone recommend how to go about finding help with arranging a balanced plan for nutrition, fitness, and health, including having blood work (like measuring hormone levels, etc.) in Switzerland? I don't need a personal "RAH RAH you can do it!" trainer, rather someone to administer blood tests, give me periodic stress tests, maybe measure VO2-max, and help me to arrange exercise and diet based on the results.

My doctor says I am basically healthy and get enough exercise, so blood work and stress tests are not necessary (even though I am willing to pay). Is there some sort of non-doctor health-care professional I should be looking for?
Not trying to flame, just saying this is the hyper analytical micro-management approach y'all Americans seem to go for on many topics (eg cars, health) and just doesnt really exist in Europe, esp Switzerland. I could understand the feeling your doctor seems quite relaxed unless you are really ill and is not looking for problems that dont obviously exist.

If you are healthy and fit as you say, it's not really clear what your objective is from your post. If it's more analytical health monitoring to catch anything wrong as early as possible there are clinic based services that will give you regular "once overs" and test for everything at a price. I read something on this in the FT, but a while back 3-4 years.

If it's an improvement in fitness combined with dietary analysis then a proper sports coach could help, a bit less rah rah a bit more goal focussed (eg train for a triathlon etc). However I suspect the good ones want people who are going to put in big effort for a big objective. Someone like http://www.englishforum.ch/members/11154-advntur.html would be in that category.
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Not trying to flame, just saying this is the hyper analytical micro-management approach y'all Americans seem to go for on many topics (eg cars, health) and just doesnt really exist in Europe, esp Switzerland.
This is absolutely untrue.

First of all, Weight Watchers can be found all over Europe, including Switzerland:

http://www.weightwatchers-shop.ch/fernprogramm/

Second, I personally know three people here (all Swiss, BTW) who are practicing, licensed nutritionists, one of whom is in private practice and the other two who are personal trainers. One of those trainers is affiliated with the Metabolic Balance program (developed by a German doctor), which is typically done under an affiliated doctor/nutritionist's supervision, and requires a battery of blood tests before beginning the program to determine the most suitable plan:

http://www.metabolic-balance.com/de/uebersicht.aspx

There is also Dr. Wolfgang Rohner (a Swiss physician) who developed the Rohner Konzept and, also requires a battery of blood tests before beginning his program:

http://www.rohner-konzept.ch/

Third, one can also consult the Swiss Association of Registered Dieticians (yes, there is such a thing) to find someone:

http://www.svde-asdd.ch/de/index.cfm?treeID=9
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Can anyone recommend how to go about finding help with arranging a balanced plan for nutrition, fitness, and health, including having blood work (like measuring hormone levels, etc.) in Switzerland? I don't need a personal "RAH RAH you can do it!" trainer, rather someone to administer blood tests, give me periodic stress tests, maybe measure VO2-max, and help me to arrange exercise and diet based on the results.

My doctor says I am basically healthy and get enough exercise, so blood work and stress tests are not necessary (even though I am willing to pay). Is there some sort of non-doctor health-care professional I should be looking for?
You can buy and have any blood test you fancy now in the USA. I think if it's your dime you should be allowed the test. Lots of home kits too now on the market.

But WHY do you feel you need it?

Why do you feel you need a stress test?

Or VO-2 measures?

They have saliva testing for most hormones levels, there are test centres in the EU somewhere, no idea the cost on shipping etc.

An easy stress test is to go up and down the stairs a lot and check your BP and pulse.
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You can buy and have any blood test you fancy now in the USA. I think if it's your dime you should be allowed the test. Lots of home kits too now on the market.

But WHY do you feel you need it?

Why do you feel you need a stress test?
To measure my maximum heart rate before I start a cardio fitness plan. I'm aware there are age-based formulas but I know there can also be a wide variation in max heart rate for all ages, so I'd rather just do the test.

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Or VO-2 measures?
To get a baseline to compare against with future VO2 measurements (to measure VO2 improvement over time).

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They have saliva testing for most hormones levels, there are test centres in the EU somewhere, no idea the cost on shipping etc.
If these are as accurate as a blood test (my understanding is they are not), I'm happy to use them. Any idea where I might get a test kit in Switzerland?

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An easy stress test is to go up and down the stairs a lot and check your BP and pulse.
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Re: Who to see for balanced nutrition / fitness / health (inc. blood work)

Docs argue as to which is more reliable. Cortisol is better as a 24 hour saliva test, a quick google to find where to get one done.

if you want to check max heart rate, run for 10 mins then check your pulse.

A stress test isn't needed for a healthy person to do cardio at a gym. A stress test doesn't even show a lot for unhealthy people (I've had several) the hope is on a stress test that your EKG will change and show blockages etc. It's not 100% fool proof either.

Do you have angina? high BP? Some other concern?
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This is absolutely untrue.

First of all, Weight Watchers can be found all over Europe, including Switzerland:

http://www.weightwatchers-shop.ch/fernprogramm/

Second, I personally know three people here (all Swiss, BTW) who are practicing, licensed nutritionists, one of whom is in private practice and the other two who are personal trainers. One of those trainers is affiliated with the Metabolic Balance program (developed by a German doctor), which is typically done under an affiliated doctor/nutritionist's supervision, and requires a battery of blood tests before beginning the program to determine the most suitable plan:

http://www.metabolic-balance.com/de/uebersicht.aspx

There is also Dr. Wolfgang Rohner (a Swiss physician) who developed the Rohner Konzept and, also requires a battery of blood tests before beginning his program:

http://www.rohner-konzept.ch/

Third, one can also consult the Swiss Association of Registered Dieticians (yes, there is such a thing) to find someone:

http://www.svde-asdd.ch/de/index.cfm?treeID=9
You have completely misconstrued my post.
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Do you have angina? high BP? Some other concern?
My BP is borderline high (just barely within the "ok" range).
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You have completely misconstrued my post.
The OP asked if anyone could recommend help with "arranging a balanced plan for nutrition, fitness, and health, including having blood work (like measuring hormone levels, etc.) in Switzerland... help me to arrange exercise and diet based on the results."

You replied "...this is the hyper analytical micro-management approach y'all Americans seem to go for on many topics (eg cars, health) and just doesnt really exist in Europe, esp Switzerland."

I provided information which I understood was in line with what the OP was asking for, and which also happened to contradict your blanket statement that such a thing doesn't exist in Europe/Switzerland and is the sole province of the American micro-management approach.

There is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. So, perhaps you'd care to explain exactly how your post was completely misconstrued.

BTW, there is nothing hyper-analytical about testing hormone levels and other blood values in an effort to find the optimum diet and fitness regimen. Oftentimes, hormonal imbalances can impede one's best efforts at losing weight and getting fit. Any endocrinologist, metabolic specialist, physiologist or physician worth his or her salt will tell you that one size does NOT fit all.
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