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Old 23.03.2016, 16:13
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

I had it done a few years ago at the local hospital for med reasons, I was surprised how painless it was!
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:25
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Other than for unavoidable medical reasons, I can't see how any sane and rational person would subject their children to it.
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:34
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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Other than for unavoidable medical reasons, I can't see how any sane and rational person would subject their children to it.
Well, thousands of well educated people do worldwide every year, so I guess they can't all be insane and/or irrational.
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:43
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Evolution has seen fit to keep foreskin on men, hence why I wouldn't have it removed either on myself or my future children. It also carries risk of permanent penile and sexual dysfunction.

Other than for deep-rooted religious or unavoidable medical reasons, I can't see how any sane and rational person would subject their children to it.
if you change your mind then let's hope they throw away the right piece
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:57
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Well, thousands of well educated people do worldwide every year, so I guess they can't all be insane and/or irrational.
Thousands of people use homoeopathy medicine every year - you could argue that they were irrational. Many (especially the doctors who supply it), are well-educated.

You can be well-educated and irrational. Not sure why you think you can't.
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Old 23.03.2016, 17:35
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

There seems to be an underlying feeling among some posters that anyone who is into something they consider irrational is automatically a bit stupid.

I think homoeopathy users are irrational. It baffles me that there are doctors who are true believers in it. When asked, they would contend that their reasons for their belief are not irrational.

Who is the final arbiter of what is or isn't rational?
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Old 23.03.2016, 17:51
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Who is the final arbiter of what is or isn't rational?
There's nothing wrong with having irrational thoughts (i.e. those not based on logic or proven principles).

However, an argument on this thread (in which we are not allowed to argue), is that your irrationality should not affect the health or well-being of another person).

So, if you want to believe in gods, fairies, homeopathy, pixies, etc then that's fine but if you want to impose your beliefs (physically or mentally) on others, including your own children then that's wrong in my book.

But even governments are irrational in some of their laws so this is probably a bigger debate (but not on this forum as it's non-secular).
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Old 23.03.2016, 17:59
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Some times done for real medical reasons as well
Good to see that one still alive and chasing rationale :

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a6710061.html

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But after the surgery their crying son’s bleeding would not stop and he died little over a week later in hospital, having lost up to 40 per cent of his blood and gone into “hypovolemic shock”. Ryan was 22 days old.

Parents Homa Ahmadi and John Heydari launched a complaint to medical regulators and appealed rulings by the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons, who cautioned one doctor in the case and given advice to another.
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The committee upheld a previous decision to issue a formal caution for “his failure to recognise the seriousness of the infant’s condition and to treat compensated shock” and ordered him to write a report.

The board also considered the penalty for the doctor who performed the circumcision, upholding the order for him to document parents’ consent and risk warnings and “be mindful” of possible complications.

New guidance issued by the Canadian Paediatric Society last month did not recommend “routine” male infant circumcision, which is a religious rite for Jews and Muslims.
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Old 23.03.2016, 18:04
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Well, thousands of well educated people do worldwide every year, so I guess they can't all be insane and/or irrational.
Ok, I exaggerated for dramatic effect. I am sure many sane, rational but ultimately misguided people do it too.

PS: Sorry to the mods and thread starter, I shouldn't have replied with personal opinions. Feel free to delete.
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