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Old 23.03.2016, 15:13
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

I had it done a few years ago at the local hospital for med reasons, I was surprised how painless it was!
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Old 23.03.2016, 15:25
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Other than for unavoidable medical reasons, I can't see how any sane and rational person would subject their children to it.
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Old 23.03.2016, 15:34
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

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Other than for unavoidable medical reasons, I can't see how any sane and rational person would subject their children to it.
Well, thousands of well educated people do worldwide every year, so I guess they can't all be insane and/or irrational.
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Old 23.03.2016, 15:43
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Evolution has seen fit to keep foreskin on men, hence why I wouldn't have it removed either on myself or my future children. It also carries risk of permanent penile and sexual dysfunction.

Other than for deep-rooted religious or unavoidable medical reasons, I can't see how any sane and rational person would subject their children to it.
if you change your mind then let's hope they throw away the right piece
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Old 23.03.2016, 15:57
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Well, thousands of well educated people do worldwide every year, so I guess they can't all be insane and/or irrational.
Thousands of people use homoeopathy medicine every year - you could argue that they were irrational. Many (especially the doctors who supply it), are well-educated.

You can be well-educated and irrational. Not sure why you think you can't.
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:35
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Re: Circumcision in Switzerland [info ONLY please]

There seems to be an underlying feeling among some posters that anyone who is into something they consider irrational is automatically a bit stupid.

I think homoeopathy users are irrational. It baffles me that there are doctors who are true believers in it. When asked, they would contend that their reasons for their belief are not irrational.

Who is the final arbiter of what is or isn't rational?
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:51
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Who is the final arbiter of what is or isn't rational?
There's nothing wrong with having irrational thoughts (i.e. those not based on logic or proven principles).

However, an argument on this thread (in which we are not allowed to argue), is that your irrationality should not affect the health or well-being of another person).

So, if you want to believe in gods, fairies, homeopathy, pixies, etc then that's fine but if you want to impose your beliefs (physically or mentally) on others, including your own children then that's wrong in my book.

But even governments are irrational in some of their laws so this is probably a bigger debate (but not on this forum as it's non-secular).
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Old 23.03.2016, 16:59
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Some times done for real medical reasons as well
Good to see that one still alive and chasing rationale :

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a6710061.html

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But after the surgery their crying son’s bleeding would not stop and he died little over a week later in hospital, having lost up to 40 per cent of his blood and gone into “hypovolemic shock”. Ryan was 22 days old.

Parents Homa Ahmadi and John Heydari launched a complaint to medical regulators and appealed rulings by the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons, who cautioned one doctor in the case and given advice to another.
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The committee upheld a previous decision to issue a formal caution for “his failure to recognise the seriousness of the infant’s condition and to treat compensated shock” and ordered him to write a report.

The board also considered the penalty for the doctor who performed the circumcision, upholding the order for him to document parents’ consent and risk warnings and “be mindful” of possible complications.

New guidance issued by the Canadian Paediatric Society last month did not recommend “routine” male infant circumcision, which is a religious rite for Jews and Muslims.
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Old 23.03.2016, 17:04
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Well, thousands of well educated people do worldwide every year, so I guess they can't all be insane and/or irrational.
Ok, I exaggerated for dramatic effect. I am sure many sane, rational but ultimately misguided people do it too.

PS: Sorry to the mods and thread starter, I shouldn't have replied with personal opinions. Feel free to delete.
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Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

I recently moved to Colombier (canton Neuchatel) and I am due with my son in December. My husband and I did not realize that circumcision was not customary in Switzerland.

I am not asking to debate the ethics of it. I am not asking your opinion.

But we would like to have our son circumcised shortly after birth.

I have read through previous posts on this topic and will be speaking to our pediatrician once I find one, but are there any physicians a bit closer than Zurich? The last thread I saw recommended one there. But does anyone know of any in the Neuchatel canton or maybe Lausanne area?
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Old 12.07.2020, 16:57
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Re: Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

Not debating the right or wrong either..

But why would you think it may be possibly compulsory in Switzerland?
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Old 12.07.2020, 17:10
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Not debating the right or wrong either..

But why would you think it may be possibly compulsory in Switzerland?
She never said compulsory, she said customary.

I found this

https://www.mymeditravel.com/medical...ision-sw3-1150

That was just googling though. I have no idea what the place is like, how good it's services are, etc. Do your own investigations.
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Old 12.07.2020, 17:10
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Re: Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

The OP didn't say compulsory, but customary. And I guess that, outside the Jewish community, or for medical reasons, it's quite uncommon anywhere outside the US.
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Re: Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

Ok my reading bad and confused.
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The OP didn't say compulsory, but customary. And I guess that, outside the Jewish community, or for medical reasons, it's quite uncommon anywhere outside the US.
Israel? Many muslim countries?
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Re: Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

Thank you. Yes, it is quite the “norm” where I come from in the US. I realize it may not be customary in Europe, but having the option to have it completed (with or without insurance) was more along the lines of what we expected. From the research I’ve done I have found that approximately 20% of Swiss men have it completed. From what I understand, Hirslanden, has a very good reputation. Thank you for your response. Most things I have found are general articles about it rather than doctors.

Thank you again.
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Old 12.07.2020, 17:31
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Re: Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

My friend is married to a man from Turkey and they had their son circumcised here just after he was born. I believe it was done there at the hospital where he was born, so you might want to call the hospital where you plan to have the baby to see if that is possible.

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The OP didn't say compulsory, but customary. And I guess that, outside the Jewish community, or for medical reasons, it's quite uncommon anywhere outside the US.
Middle East, South Korea, North and West Africa, Philippines, Malaysia and beyond doubt some others are territories where it is very common and rates of over 80% being circumcised are normal there.

US and Australia a bit less common but still happening a lot.
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Re: Circumcision (not debating right or wrong)

Speak to your ob/gyn about it next time you see them. They will almost certainly be able to recommend somebody at the hospital where you give birth.
Whilst it is not customary here it is not unusual either and can easily be arranged.

I could have recommended somebody in Neuchâtel but unfortunately he retired last year.
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Old 12.07.2020, 18:25
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...From what I understand, Hirslanden, has a very good reputation...
Congratulations on your upcoming new arrival.

I believe Hirslanden is a private clinic group, so if you only have basic insurance you may face additional out-of-pocket costs. Something to keep in mind should you choose this hospital group.
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