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Old 03.09.2013, 17:31
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

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You're quick to comment extensively on that one study though, but oddly have nothing to say or "clarify" on the second one. It's important for you to point out a limitation of that study regarding the population yet no recognition of the European study's findings. Sorry but I think you're just not owning what's obviously a biased interest in sorting out a member's takeaway/opinion/whatever on one study, yet avoiding comment on another that's contrary to a point you're quick to clarify.
Whoa what is this? Have a go at Sandgrounder day?

You're very quick to elicit opinions from other people but I don't see any from you on this.

Why are you so interested in the second study which basically says that there's no significant difference between the two types of feeding. There's not really much to be said about it really is there?
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Old 03.09.2013, 17:40
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

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Whoa what is this? Have a go at Sandgrounder day?

You're very quick to elicit opinions from other people but I don't see any from you on this.

Why are you so interested in the second study which basically says that there's no significant difference between the two types of feeding. There's not really much to be said about it really is there?
Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go..not what I wanted! I'll explain. A simple question about feedback turned into a speech about having no opinion on anything and plenty of comment on the politics of interpreting studies, especially those by others.

Not true - the second study says there was no significant difference in the first season but there was in the second.
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You're quick to comment extensively on that one study though, but oddly have nothing to say or "clarify" on the second one. It's important for you to point out a limitation of that study regarding the population yet no recognition of the European study's findings. Sorry but I think you're just not owning what's obviously a biased interest in sorting out a member's takeaway/opinion/whatever on one study, yet avoiding comment on another that's contrary to a point you're quick to clarify.
I didn't comment on either study. I commented on the "biased" (to use your word) way it was presented by the poster, and pointed out his/her inaccuracies. You presented your article with no comment so there was nothing there for me to comment on. I still don't feel the urge to comment on it. It's a study on a vaccine the same as the other study. There were results and a conclusion, same as the other one. You didn't dress it up and mis-quote from it. What more can I say?

I have no opinion of either study, except that I prefer when someone quotes from it, they do it verbatim rather than with their own twist on it to further their own agenda. I will stick to this and, if you like, "own" it. Maybe you prefer the more "sensationalist" approach put out there by the poster of the first study?

I'm not sure I can say it any simpler unless I try to find words with one syllable or somehow try to get it across using the medium of dance...

The thread is now getting clogged up with semantics and is now losing sight of the original subject, which is a bit of a shame.
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Old 03.09.2013, 18:07
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

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Not true - the second study says there was no significant difference in the first season but there was in the second.
There was a bigger difference in the second season but it was still not a huge difference. I'd take 76% in the second season over the minimal immunity if any offered by breast feeding at that time.( as feeding reduces with age anyway)
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Old 20.05.2017, 12:16
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

Many years ago I worked with a man from Preston UK whose son had contracted measles when he was 4 years old. The disease damaged the son's brain and he stayed with a mental age of less than 7 years old.

He would run away from home and be found by the police hundreds of miles away; goodness knows what happened to him as he often had money in his pocket and alcohol on his breath. His disability made him very frustrated with his life, and he would often have violent behaviour which meant he had to be physically restrained until he was tired out from struggling.

This went on for many years until the young man became stronger than his father, and then aged 17 they had to put him in a mental hospital, where he no doubt remains to this day: he must now be about 50 years old. A prison sentance for life, because he caught measles.

Measles is highly contagious. Travel patterns mean no person or country is beyond its reach, says the WHO. For good protection, it's recommended that at least 95% of the population is vaccinated against the disease.
But many countries are struggling to achieve that. Most of the measles cases have been found in countries where immunisation has dipped below this threshold and the infection is endemic - France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Romania, Switzerland and Ukraine.

Italy has been having bad outbreaks of measles in recent years and now Italy is insisting that all children be vaccinated against 12 diseases before they attend school.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39983799

The twelve conditions Italian children must be immunised against are:
  • polio
  • diphtheria
  • tetanus
  • hepatitis B
  • haemophilus influenzae B
  • meningitis B
  • meningitis C
  • measles
  • mumps
  • rubella
  • whooping cough
  • chickenpox
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Old 20.05.2017, 12:23
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

Interesting, wasn´t aware you could get vaccination for meningitis?

Never had those vaccinations, nor the measles/mumps, did have that though, remember only too well.

At that time - way back - one didn´t get vaccinated against measles and mumps and rubella was only introduced years later.

Edit: had no vaccinations for meningitis or mumps/measles, all the others yes so definitely not propagating not to have them! I get a booster every 10 years

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Old 20.05.2017, 12:50
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

My 7 year old grand daughter lived near Bridport Dorset, in a country village, she caught meningitis, probably starting with a cold virus.

She quickly became seriously ill and the lovely NHS sent a special ambulance with a doctor and nurse from Southampton hospital, 140 Km
round trip, to collect her and she then spent 2 weeks in intensive care in Southampton hospital. They saved her life.

She is very intelligent, top of her school year, but she does sometimes show signs of brain damage.
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Old 20.05.2017, 13:01
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

In the olden days we only left our towns once or twice a year, but today we often travel very long distances with work and vacations, passing by many people. The BBC article mentioned that measles is very contagious, carried by droplets from an infected person sneezing, even 4 days before the rash symptom appears.

How many infected people have you passed by, in the past 4 days, without knowing? One of them, with that slight cold, sneezing on the tram, could possibly be ill with this nasty disease. The article says there is no magic cure, only prevention with immunisation works.
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

Thanks to the anti-vaccination brigade who are, oddly enough, allowed to spread their drivel via tv channels in some places.. and internet health and family forums filled with smart people who're giving advice against vaccination.
We'll go back in time, no wonder.


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Interesting, wasn´t aware you could get vaccination for meningitis?
It does not protect against all forms of meningitis, unfortunately.
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Old 20.05.2017, 14:26
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

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In the olden days we only left our towns once or twice a year, but today we often travel very long distances with work and vacations, passing by many people. The BBC article mentioned that measles is very contagious, carried by droplets from an infected person sneezing, even 4 days before the rash symptom appears.

How many infected people have you passed by, in the past 4 days, without knowing? One of them, with that slight cold, sneezing on the tram, could possibly be ill with this nasty disease. The article says there is no magic cure, only prevention with immunisation works.
Oh, I am definitely with you, I get my boosters every 10 years so am not in the anti-vacc league!
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Old 20.05.2017, 14:36
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

Nature will probably kill them all off eventually, just as it did before 1940. But it is very sad when children are injured due to their parent's stupidity.
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

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...The twelve conditions Italian children must be immunised against are:
  • polio
  • diphtheria
  • tetanus
  • hepatitis B
  • haemophilus influenzae B
  • meningitis B
  • meningitis C
  • measles
  • mumps
  • rubella
  • whooping cough
  • chickenpox
Gee, based on that list I wouldn't be able to go to school in Italy. Never knew of a meningitis vacc.

BTW, whooping cough is also known as pertussis. There's now a vacc out that has tetanus, diptheria, pertussis and polio all in one shot. Just had it a few weeks ago. Not sure if it's for adults only or if kids can have it too.
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Old 20.05.2017, 14:41
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

Thanks, I suppose I had better get a booster shot as well. Pertussis is now active in Switzerland.

The WHO has almost eliminated Polio, but it is still around in parts of Afgahnistan-Pakistan and Muslim areas of Nigeria.

My friend's daughter is an idiot. Her son aged 4 has had no vaccinations at all!
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

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But it is very sad when children are injured due to their parent's stupidity.
Agreed. Should be prosecuted. I like the Italian idea, but it's a tricky one as children don't belong to the state and hence it really should be down to education. It might also help with crap like this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7740161.html
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Gee, based on that list I wouldn't be able to go to school in Italy. Never knew of a meningitis vacc.

BTW, whooping cough is also known as pertussis. There's now a vacc out that has tetanus, diptheria, pertussis and polio all in one shot. Just had it a few weeks ago. Not sure if it's for adults only or if kids can have it too.
The combined shot has been around for a good few years now as my son had it and so has at least one of the meningitis vaccines as he had that too although it was very new at the time.

I've only had five of the vaccines on that list but them most of them didn't exist when I was a child but my son has had all of tgrm except the chicken pox one as he caught that naturally.
Some vaccines are mandatory in Belgium and we were given a form when he was born which had to be stamped after every vaccine and sent to the commune once they'd all been administered. I think children were not allowed in school unless they were vaccinated against those diseases.


One of my classmates died as a result of the measles virus at age 15 which came as a big shock to us all. The virus had laid dormant for years apparently and then manifested itself in his brain. It is very rare for something like that to happen.
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

When I was born/grew up, only these were available:

polio
diphtheria
tetanus
whooping cough
chickenpox

I had one in my arm, some pox vaccination?
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When I was born/grew up, only these were available:

polio
diphtheria
tetanus
whooping cough
chickenpox

I had one in my arm, some pox vaccination?
Smallpox probably. Did you not have a tuberculosis vaccine too?

The only ones we had were :

Polio
Diptheria
Tetanus
Whooping cough
Smallpox
Rubella
Tuberculosis

Now I come to think of it I think the combined whooping cough, tetanus and diptheria vaccine existed even in those days. The boosters were only one shot plus the liquid on a sugar cube for polio.
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

Right, yes, TBC as well! Rubella was only introduced when I was a teenager (and I got it then)
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Right, yes, TBC as well! Rubella was only introduced when I was a teenager (and I got it then)
Both the TB vaccine and rubella vaccine were given in secondary school in the UK and the rubella vaccine was only given to girls.
I remember being reall miffed at my mum for signing the consent form as I really really didn't want the vaccine due yo my fear of needles.
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Re: Are you vaccinated against measles?

I looked like a boy those years and they refused to give me the rubella jab. That is only for girls.... I AM a girl......

Oh well.....
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