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Old 30.11.2018, 22:06
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Re: Are flu vaccinations worthwhile?

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One can understand why there is a worldwide reaction against "elites" when they treat us like idiots.

So 10% is "good protection", then what is "great protection" 12%

In this case there are sins of omission rather than sins of commission.


The UK government; Public Health England has published flu vaccine effectiveness data for the 2017 to 2018 season.

By age-group, the vaccine effectiveness was overall:
26.9% effective in children aged 2 to 17 years (who received the nasal spray)
12.2% in at risk groups aged 18 to 64 years
10.1% in those aged 65 and over

Worth reading the Cochrane reviews here , basically they conclude flu vaccines are safe but the benefits are "modest". The issue is that basic data is poor.
So for example the 12.2 % were vaccinated and didn't get the flu? And 87.8% of the people vaccinated DID GET THE FLU anyway? Is that correct?!

LOL. What if the 12.2% just didn't get the flu for the same reason the ones who didn't get vaccinated stayed healthy?
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Old 30.11.2018, 22:13
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Re: Flu shots?

According to that I was just lucky not to get the flu the last 20 years? And could have skipped getting the jab?
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Old 30.11.2018, 22:17
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According to that I was just lucky not to get the flu the last 20 years? And could have skipped getting the jab?
According to what, marton's post?

You will never know, will you. BUT you felt protected - never underestimate the placebo effect. In the end I guess it doesn't matter to know why you stayed healthy as long ast you did.
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Old 30.11.2018, 23:02
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According to what, marton's post?

You will never know, will you. BUT you felt protected - never underestimate the placebo effect. In the end I guess it doesn't matter to know why you stayed healthy as long ast you did.
Sure, it is similar to religion; have faith and it will be OK.

There is some research that having a flu vaccination every year gets less and less effective?
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According to that I was just lucky not to get the flu the last 20 years? And could have skipped getting the jab?
There may be some luck involved. I've never had a flu vaccine (up until this year, and after reading EF, I didn't realise it was available to anyone who wasn't immuno-compromised / elderly ) and have only ever had proper flu once in my life.
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Old 30.11.2018, 23:59
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Sure, it is similar to religion; have faith and it will be OK.

There is some research that having a flu vaccination every year gets less and less effective?
I'm not surprised to hear that. Never had a flu vaccination, was only knocked out by one once (the "Chinese" one, it was a tough eight days and ruined my ski holiday).

Don't think people getting the vaccination are the religious type

I simply don't talk people out of getting vaccinated just because I don't get it done myself concerning the flu.

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There may be some luck involved. I've never had a flu vaccine (up until this year, and after reading EF, I didn't realise it was available to anyone who wasn't immuno-compromised / elderly ) and have only ever had proper flu once in my life.
Actually here the elderly tend to get it more than others. What makes you think it's not available to them?
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Actually here the elderly tend to get it more than others. What makes you think it's not available to them?
No, I meant it the other way around (sorry, posting after the pub... ). I thought the vaccination was normally only available to people who are immuno-compromised and/or elderly.

Actually, thinking about it maybe it only was, once upon a time. In my area of the UK, they used to just recommend it for vulnerable people.
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