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Re: Exit, Dignitas....assisted suicide

I'd expect a seasoned user to use the search function, there is already at least one thread on this, it even had a post recently. Mods, can you maybe merge?
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Re: Exit, Dignitas....assisted suicide

What a badly written article from The Local, mixing up drinking the drug and injecting it.

To be clear, pentobarbital is swallowed, not injected.
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Old 02.12.2020, 16:00
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What a badly written article from The Local, mixing up drinking the drug and injecting it.

To be clear, pentobarbital is swallowed, not injected.

I thought they meant that it tastes bad so a drip is used?
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Old 02.12.2020, 17:16
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I thought they meant that it tastes bad so a drip is used?
So according to Exit it's one or the other:

"by drinking the barbiturate dissolved in water or by opening the tab of the infusion stopcock"
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So according to Exit it's one or the other:

"by drinking the barbiturate dissolved in water or by opening the tab of the infusion stopcock"

Which would you recommend? Which would be quicker? Infusion?


Edit- I thought you were a Doctor based on your avatar?
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Which would you recommend? Which would be quicker? Infusion?
I suspect Infusion would be quicker, but the preparation would be slower. I have small veins and the medics always have problems finding, and successfully inserting needles into them.

I think drinking would be for me. And I would ask them to add something tasty to the mix. Being a T1 diabetic for 45 plus years I'm certain I can break the rules just that one time.
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Re: EXIT would you consider being a member?

I'm sure a whiskey chaser would deal with the taste and be a more appropriate final drink!
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Re: EXIT would you consider being a member?

best single Malt without the 'chase' bit would be much better.
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best single Malt without the 'chase' bit would be much better.
Well yes, but to get the necessary "death" effect that's rather a lot of malt and probably not very reliable.
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Old 02.12.2020, 21:27
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No actual user reviews?
Well, if you want to watch it happen, to learn how the death takes place, there's the very brave Assisted Suicide of Peter Smedley, in which his actual last minutes are shown.
https://youtu.be/xXgkNxqYYQQ

More of Peter Smedley's thinking (and that of his wife) can be seen in Terry Pratchett's investigation(2011?) into assisted suicide as a possibility for himself, after his diagnosis of Alzheimer's.
https://youtu.be/xsvwhuOSApI
Terry Pratchett: Choosing To Die
Unfortunately this is just a trailer... sorry, I couldn't find the full documentary. I hope someone else will link to it; it's impressive.

EDIT: This was in Switzerland, through Dignitas. Dignitas helps people from abroad, as well as those who live here.
For those who live in Switzerland, though, and for Swiss citizens who live abroad, assisted suicide is also available (after the thorough ethical checks) from EXIT, for considerably less money.
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Old 02.12.2020, 21:31
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Well yes, but to get the necessary "death" effect that's rather a lot of malt and probably not very reliable.

with the potion, not instead of , it should work, no?


I cultivate plants in the garden that will ensure a quick death in case I do develop Alzheimers before EXIT finds a solutions re acceptable directive.

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Old 12.01.2023, 21:25
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Re: Where should a millionaire retire?

Oh the arrogance of youth.

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Don't worry, we are both members of EXIT and will get ourselves taken out when we begin to cost too much.

One more reason not to return to UK- where we would not be allowed!
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Old 12.01.2023, 23:05
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Re: Where should a millionaire retire?

Having seen someone lose their mind and live the last 2 years of their life confused, fearful and paranoid, I would want to be spared that.
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Old 12.01.2023, 23:28
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Re: Where should a millionaire retire?

Oh for sure, 1000%.

But in this case, it is not quite so simple. Make sure you are a long-term member, with clear advanced directives, and be prepared to ask 'out' at the very early stages, because later is ...

too late,

I have known several cases with this exact scenario. Left it too late, and had to live a very long time with the indignities, costing massive sums of wasted money.
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Old 13.01.2023, 00:12
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Don't worry, we are both members of EXIT and will get ourselves taken out when we begin to cost too much.

One more reason not to return to UK- where we would not be allowed!

Am very proud of my home country of Canada where one does not need to subscribe to a service such as EXIT: end-of-life assisted suicide is not only legal, but is covered by the public health care system. It is of course carefully monitored and is only allowed under very carefully defined circumstances, but it is freely available to everyone. To me it seems like a very compassionate option to offer people.
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Old 13.01.2023, 10:51
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Re: Where should a millionaire retire?

Switzerland chose to separate end of life medical care and assisted dying. We could have a very long discussions on the pros and cons.

Personally, I think it is a good idea to dissociate the two- in order to best counter the 'slippery slope' argument. But as said, it is very complex and would deserve a thread of its own.

One could argue that those who are so so physically fit but end up with Alzheimers or Senile Dementia, are the worst 'bed blockers' with very expensive care, as they will go on living for years, decades even- totally gaga.

And again, as said, if you think that Exit, Dignitas, LifeCircle, etc - will be able to assist you once you are past the first stages of the above- you are very much mistaken. You have to be compos mentis, your doctor has to attest to that, and you will be tested to ensure you are- when you make the decision, and on D Day. I know 5 people who got past the point where any decision could be made.

Perhaps for another thread, although it is very much linked to retiring somewhere, where you have that choice, or not. For us, definitely something we do want end of life, so the UK, currenlty (and the debate has offcially started- so there is hope) is not a good choice.

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Old 13.01.2023, 11:45
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One could argue that those who are so so physically fit but end up with Alzheimers or Senile Dementia, are the worst 'bed blockers' with very expensive care, as they will go on living for years, decades even- totally gaga.
Whilst I appreciate you are disregarding everything I write on this thread as it doesn't fit your own narrative, extensive studies have shown, for example:

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This is a general rule. Obviously there are exceptions and cancer, for example can strike anyone, at any time - including children and very fit adults.

Most people do not have a clue as to what "vigorous exercise" entails. Nor do they understand calories in versus calories out.
In the U.K. they are thinking of making this clearer on packets of food.
For example, instead of just listing the calories in a product, they are going to describe a physical activity and duration to burn up the calories added when consuming the product.
People may not so easily decide to consume a packet of chocolate biscuits when they realise that they'd need to run 42Km (a marathon) to burn off those calories.
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Re: Where should a millionaire retire?

No, I don't dismiss it at all. And I actually mostly agree.

But we are at the age now where we see the theory seriously being tested by family and friends around us, and it is cruel, VERY. I know very fit, active, with healthy lifestyles currently suffering from end stage Alzehmeiners and Dementia, and our best friend, also fit and active, 79- had a massive stroke late autumn. He was not found for 3 days- and after a long stay in hospital, is now in semi vegetative state in an OAP home- unable to communicate or make any choices. It is beyond cruel. Because he is so fit, he will probably have to endure this for a very long time. Same as other friends, also very fit and active, with Alzheimers or senile dementia. Slim, fit, active ...

It is just not as simple as this.
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It is just not as simple as this.
Of course it isn't. Genetics can play a role in cancers, brain disease and strokes for example.
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Oh the arrogance of youth.

Logan's Run
The Final Solution

Don't worry, we are both members of EXIT and will get ourselves taken out when we begin to cost too much.

One more reason not to return to UK- where we would not be allowed!

There is always Canada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada
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