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Old 31.05.2014, 23:29
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Re: EXIT would you consider being a member?

I just want to be able to decide for myself - just in case I need it. I'm not saying I would actually take matters into my own hands but I like the idea of having the choice. They say that most of the terminally ill who have been given the "suicide package" don't actually make use of it. Just knowing that you have the option there at your control makes you more able to bear the pain and suffering.
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:30
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I agree with you, this forum is one of the worst in that respect...
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:33
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I just want to be able to decide for myself - just in case I need it.
So why would you need Exit for that?
Millions of people have committed suicide before Exit ever existed.

I'm genuinely surprised that so many of you here think Exit is a valuable 'service'...
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:35
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I'm genuinely surprised that so many of you here think Exit is a valuable 'service'...
I'm genuinely surprised that you think ruining a train driver's life is worth saving 70CHF a year.

Oh. No, you don't. You're being your usual argumentative c*nt craving a little attention.
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:37
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So why would you need Exit for that?
Millions of people have committed suicide before Exit ever existed.

I'm genuinely surprised that so many of you here think Exit is a valuable 'service'...
No one is forcing you to join so what exactly is the problem? Let us non intelligent ones join when and if we need it.
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:38
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I'm genuinely surprised that you think ruining a train driver's life is worth saving 70CHF a year.
Did I ever advocate that?? There are plenty of clean ways for those that want to do it, you know that as much as myself and the kind of person who chooses to jump in front of a train would have never joined Exit anyway.
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:39
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No one is forcing you to join so what exactly is the problem? Let us non intelligent ones join when and if we need it.
I'm not stopping you from wasting your money, I'm just very surprised that so many people here fall for such a completely useless business...
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:40
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Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I was referring to the intelligence necessary to plan it in an ordered way rather than simply jumping in front of a train...
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Did I ever advocate that??.
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:41
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Yes. Have you?

And Exit would make no difference with that.
Why not??? Explain- why?

If you are stuck in a hospital in a terminal stage of disease, or stuck in a wheel-chair at home or anywhere, or unable to move and coordinate due to advanced Parkinson's, Motor Neurone or MS- unable to get up, or reach- how do you commit suicide, I'd like to know. My 94 year old mother, in a wheel-chair, totally blind, with hands crippled and twisted due to advanced arthrritis, and in an OAP home (which had a Charter which clearly stated Exit could not come and help member's btw) - would have done that? Or Debbie Purdy for that matter- her husband would have had to provide for her, and would have then been liable for murder and go to prison. Read her story in full, perhaps you will begin to understand. Or not, as Faltrad says.

Exit is not a business, but a charity. It also serves the purpose of helping society to re-think its attitude and choices re death. It also provides comfort, support, guidelines, a sounding board, and ensures the solution is quick and without the guessing work, etc- for both the member and spouse, family and friends.


Please do not confuse EXIT with Dignitas. You don't 'go' to Exit- exit comes to your home, your hospital or your old people's home, wherever you are. You can die in your own bed, your favourite armchair- in your garden even if it is totally private. With your favourite music, poem, book being read to you, or in silence- with your family there, or not, your closest friend or not- how YOU choose. It is a charity, and only supported by members' money. Nothing, but nothing to do with Dignitas.

Diginitas is sadly and tragically the only choice for Brits for instance- to go and die in a foreign land, in a concrete flat on an industrial estate- without any of your home comforts- too early to ensure you can still travel, and only for those who can afford it. Tragic. Debbie Purdy was not well enough to make that journey- and she would have like to die in her own home, with her loved ones.

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Old 31.05.2014, 23:42
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Oh. No, you don't. You're being your usual argumentative c*nt craving a little attention.
Huh?? I though this was a discussion thread about Exit, so are you implying that only people in favour of Exit are allowed to post in this thread?

Also I really don't see the need for swear words, especially from a mod...
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:43
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Re: EXIT would you consider being a member?

Until you live with chronic pain yourself. In my case the insurance company is refusing to pay for a treatment that has kept me stable for a number of years back home, here it is considered off label use. Where will I turn next? I could easily head down the exit path since there is very little support in Switzerland for chronic persistent pain patients as all the insurance companies are quick to kick you out. Exit is probably finacially supported by the insurance companies.
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:44
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If you are stuck in a hospital in a terminal stage of disease, or stuck in a wheel-chair at home or anywhere, or unable to move and coordinate due to advanced Parkinson's, Motor Neurone or MS- unable to get up, or reach- how do you commit suicide, I'd like to know. My 94 year old mother, in a wheel-chair, totally blind, with hands crippled and twisted due to advanced arthrritis, and in an OAP home (which had a Charter which clearly stated Exit could not come and help member's btw) - would have done that? Or Debbie Purdy for that matter- her husband would have had to provide for her, and would have then been liable for murder and go to prison.
And how would you get to Exit in that state? (especially if you don't live anywhere near them)
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:46
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Exit is probably fibacially supported by the insurance companies.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was the case, as it saves them a lot of money...
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:48
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I'm not stopping you from wasting your money, I'm just very surprised that so many people here fall for such a completely useless business...

You think if I was going to die I would care about my savings?

I give you credit that at least so far you have not come out with "Jesus saves, Allah disapproves, you will come back reincarnated as an insect" kind of reasoning. Unless that is next part of your argument?
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Old 31.05.2014, 23:52
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I give you credit that at least so far you have not come out with "Jesus saves, Allah disapproves, you will come back reincarnated as an insect" kind of reasoning. Unless that is next part of your argument?
I'm not religious.
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Yes. Have you?

And Exit would make no difference with that.
Yes. Of course it will.
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Old 01.06.2014, 00:03
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Yes. Of course it will.
Clearly you have never experienced someone with terminal cancer a few days before he/she passes away...
There is no way a person in that state could or would want to travel to Switzerland to Exit.
Some Morphine is far more help to make the last days bearable and that's what is usually given.
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Re: EXIT would you consider being a member?

As someone who is suffering from chronic persistent pain every hour, every day I have access to medications that I could use easily to off myself if I wanted to go down that route.

I think there are some misconceptions here about what exit is about.

Perhaps I'm wrong but it's my impression is that Exit is primarily for palliative care, for those who have been given a diagnosis of a terminal illness and want to exit this world gracefully. It is not about offing oneself just because times are tough.
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Old 01.06.2014, 00:09
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As someone who is suffering from chronic persistent pain every hour, every day I have access to medications that I could use easily to off myself if I wanted to go down that route.
That's exactly my point.


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I think there are some misconceptions here about what exit is about.

Perhaps I'm wrong but it's my impression is that Exit is primarily for palliative care, for those who have been given a diagnosis of a terminal illness and want to exit this world gracefully. It is not about offing oneself just because times are tough.
AFAIK Exit is first and foremost an 'assisted suicide' business, I don't know whether they also do palliative care but I never read about that in all the news articles about them that I came across.
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