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From what I have read (El Pais) it seemed pretty clear that she didn't go anywhere outside of her neighborhood during her break from work.
Given that Madrid is a densley populated city, just a few days wandring around could give rise to many cases of contamination.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

as for spreading it in densely populated places, if someone gets on a plane and starts having symptoms, although its supposed to be not airborne i somehow don't feel confident about the air ventilation systems on planes, i almost always get a cold after an int'l flight.

the dallas man was asymptomatic on the plane so maybe its ok because
he was asymptomatic or
because it isn't airborne or
both or
maybe some people caught it? and are not affected the same way / less susceptible by the ebola virus, maybe they already can produce antibodies better than others, not everyone died of the black death?

who knows i just would hold off a bit on travelling and be careful of people who are travelling a lot, not everyone makes the same risk assessment or cares about your life
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That's a very good point. She went on holidays for a week, just imagine the number of people she came into contact with. In Spain it's also normal for women to greet people with a kiss on each cheek, imagine the potential for transmission through that!
How afraid we are of this epidemic in Europe...imagine what people living in the affected areas (or not yet) in Africa must go through...with so so fewer means and worse conditions to fight it.
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i disagree, stopping international trade will cause some significant financial hardship all round (which i think you have guessed by now is part of the value of life trade off)

unlike the spanish nurse who had the choice to nurse the infected priest and very kind of her it was.

i would spare a thought for those who don't have a choice,
for the stewardesses on these flights,
they likely have very little power to say they don't want to fly to western africa,

or all the airport workers, i also would not wish to be working in or going through an international? airport exposed to high people traffic unless i absolutely. had to.

i think what they are doing now, more checks at airports is a step in the right direction, but a bit of a loose net, the man in Texas showed signs days after he landed. I wouldn't feel comfortable in an airport right now even with the checks. i wouldnt be surprised if they put these checks in because they have noticed plane travel is down and its impacting some bottom lines.

and on a final note if you are exposed, your pets will be put down, wether you go to help voluntarily or are defacto exposed, so i would take the precaution and rehome my pets temporarily if i were in a high ebola risk job.


first it was a few flights now its international trade.. do make your mind up what you want to discuss that you have no clue about (and yes I am aware of cargo on aircraft but the % is minute compared to road or sea haulage, of which Africa is most reliant on sea based cargo transport)


you obviously have absolutely no clue how flying personnel have options to refuse flights - I note you say stewardesses.. what about stewards, are you sexist? and as a lot of stewards are gay are you homophobic also?
I think I will become offended on someone else's behalf.


Once again a few flights isn't going to make any difference to airport passenger numbers as the west African market is absolutely minute in global scales.


what about other areas where the public gather, there could be someone there that was on a flight from west Africa that transferred through other airports, infect other people and now they are everywhere around us.


I am going to wear a bio hazard level 4 suit at the airport "just in case"


http://oshodefence.com/BSL4S.php






In the kindest possible way I really suggest that if you have absolutely no clue about a topic to hang back have a read and then comment or just ask questions rather than making statements.
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Old 10.10.2014, 14:58
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Would you have felt comfortable sitting next to the dallas man on a flight? that could have been quite a long time for someone depending on how many flight changes there are.

i would have thought the authorities? would have made sure that person at least was checked?
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Old 10.10.2014, 15:01
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i disagree, stopping international trade will cause some significant financial hardship all round (which i think you have guessed by now is part of the value of life trade off)

unlike the spanish nurse who had the choice to nurse the infected priest and very kind of her it was.

i would spare a thought for those who don't have a choice,
for the stewardesses on these flights,
they likely have very little power to say they don't want to fly to western africa,

or all the airport workers, i also would not wish to be working in or going through an international? airport exposed to high people traffic unless i absolutely. had to.

i think what they are doing now, more checks at airports is a step in the right direction, but a bit of a loose net, the man in Texas showed signs days after he landed. I wouldn't feel comfortable in an airport right now even with the checks. i wouldnt be surprised if they put these checks in because they have noticed plane travel is down and its impacting some bottom lines.

and on a final note if you are exposed, your pets will be put down, wether you go to help voluntarily or are defacto exposed, so i would take the precaution and rehome my pets temporarily if i were in a high ebola risk job.
I think you are much safer in an airport than in a hospital.

For example in 2011, according to US Govt. statistics here 4% of patients in US acute care hospitals caught an infection in hospital and 75,000 died from that infection (around 10%).

According to the World Health Organisation here the US has a good record in this respect; other countries have much higher infection and death rates.

So far around 4,000 have died in the current Ebola outbreak.

Just to keep it all in perspective!
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Old 10.10.2014, 15:18
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

The mathematics of the outbreak is frightening. Even more frightening is there is no control of it.

At this rate, it has the trajectory of 50,000 by next month, and 1,000,000 by January.

This is urgent.



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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

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Would you have felt comfortable sitting next to the dallas man on a flight? that could have been quite a long time for someone depending on how many flight changes there are.

i would have thought the authorities? would have made sure that person at least was checked?
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anyway you seem a little wound up that i have a different opinion to you, still haven't got over that i disagreed with you about bike locks?
No you are just spouting crap... and my bike is still safe
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

it boils down to a risk assessment imo
do you rely on
- the govt to assess the risk by allowing relatively open borders?
or
- travellers too and from west africa like the dallas man?
or on someone like rob1?
or make one of your own
your risk assessment may not be as draconian as mine but i think its wise to think about one.
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Old 10.10.2014, 18:29
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

i think this is the Facebook page of the animal rights group that the husband contacted to try and save Excalibur,

i have no spanish but i think they are organising some vigils around spain tomorrow, please share if putting this just an old steet dog down bothered you.

i'm pretty sure it must have bothered the sick nurse, i know i cried for a week when i had to put my old dog to sleep, if i had been mortally ill at the time as well i doubt it would have helped most likely made me feel even worse.
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i think this is the Facebook page of the animal rights group that the husband contacted to try and save Excalibur,

i have no spanish but i think they are organising some vigils around spain tomorrow, please share if putting this just an old steet dog down bothered you.

i'm pretty sure it must have bothered the sick nurse, i know i cried for a week when i had to put my old dog to sleep, if i had been mortally ill at the time as well i doubt it would have helped most likely made me feel even worse.
I don't think that at this point, the well-being of individual patients is a major concern (at least in Spain). Maybe for the doctors treating her, but they certainly had no influence on the fate of the dog.
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Old 11.10.2014, 17:11
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Just a bit on the practical side from field work how Ebola is being treated on the ground in Africa. http://m.bbc.com/news/world-africa-2...lflow_facebook

Private talks about Ebola leak in Sierra Leone:
http://m.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-29574923
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The mathematics of the outbreak is frightening. Even more frightening is there is no control of it.

At this rate, it has the trajectory of 50,000 by next month, and 1,000,000 by January.

This is urgent.




Hi, This is Philip in Dakar, with an occassional post. Certainly the figures and projections can be frightening but it doesn't tell the whole story. I am in Dakar, Senegal, a city of 3 million, next to Guinea, where the outbreak started. There are thousands of Guioneans here and just a few from Liberia and Sierra Leone. Even so, Dakar airport is a regional hub, so many people travelling to and around West Africa pass through here.
So far, we have had just one case, a student from Guinea, he was isolated, treated and recovered. His contacts were traced and cleared. Similarly Nigeria, despite all its troubles, had a few contacts from other countries but contained it. Obviously this would not be so easy if the numbers were large.
Other countries, Ghana, Cote d'Ivoire, Mali etc don't seem to have had any cases.
Greater numbers will have died from Malaria in the same period even though this can be treated and a vaccination is getting close.
I would urge caution and preparation for Switzerland and Europe but not panic and hysteria. I remember France bought millions of expensive drugs for Sars, I think which were wasted.
I think it depends on what type of person you are, I know some expats here who are paranoic, well..some nationalities but most are calm about it.
The city is as it usually is, hot, noisy, dirty but friendly,lively and fun at the same time.
As for Air travel, I don't think the scanning will be effective. In the US, its just a few airports and UK just Gatwick and Heathrow.
When i next come to Europe it will be Dakar- Istanbul- Basel- Luton- Basel- 3 weeks here then Basel- Istanbul- Dakar. There are very few direct flights.
You either check every passenger or not, I would say focus on terrorism at this time more than Ebola.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

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Hi, This is Philip in Dakar, with an occassional post. Certainly the figures and projections can be frightening but it doesn't tell the whole story. I am in Dakar, Senegal, a city of 3 million, next to Guinea, where the outbreak started. There are thousands of Guioneans here and just a few from Liberia and Sierra Leone. Even so, Dakar airport is a regional hub, so many people travelling to and around West Africa pass through here.
So far, we have had just one case, a student from Guinea, he was isolated, treated and recovered. His contacts were traced and cleared. Similarly Nigeria, despite all its troubles, had a few contacts from other countries but contained it. Obviously this would not be so easy if the numbers were large.
Other countries, Ghana, Cote d'Ivoire, Mali etc don't seem to have had any cases.
Greater numbers will have died from Malaria in the same period even though this can be treated and a vaccination is getting close.
I would urge caution and preparation for Switzerland and Europe but not panic and hysteria. I remember France bought millions of expensive drugs for Sars, I think which were wasted.
I think it depends on what type of person you are, I know some expats here who are paranoic, well..some nationalities but most are calm about it.
The city is as it usually is, hot, noisy, dirty but friendly,lively and fun at the same time.
As for Air travel, I don't think the scanning will be effective. In the US, its just a few airports and UK just Gatwick and Heathrow.
When i next come to Europe it will be Dakar- Istanbul- Basel- Luton- Basel- 3 weeks here then Basel- Istanbul- Dakar. There are very few direct flights.
You either check every passenger or not, I would say focus on terrorism at this time more than Ebola.
So, if you are the worrying kind and in a few weeks see a tall, thin, old guy with a sun tan...keep clear!
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Recent Ebola outbreak

http://the-eyeontheworld.blogspot.ch...-positive.html
Looks like the first known case in the U.S. ?
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Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

Its very sad when the people going off to help get infected, but why do there home countries then bring them back to treat them?? there are now multiple cases of people treating them getting infected back home, USA & Spain, I don't get why the local health services are taking the risks (and failing) the risks bringing them back are just too stupidly high, why not treat them where they became infected?
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

Don't believe they can get good enough care on the ground as it were. So fly them home and spread it around even more. I'm surprised they're still allowing international flights from those countries, airports, ports, etc, should have been locked down weeks ago. But then the international community was slow off the mark to start with and still haven't gotten their act together.
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I'm surprised they're still allowing international flights from those countries, airports, ports, etc, should have been locked down weeks ago.
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

Because it's not PC to leave your citizens in Africa dying of Ebola, nor is it PC to lock down those infected countries and not allow people in or out.... Which is what they should have done ages ago!! No they'd rather have it spread around the world
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Old 14.10.2014, 14:07
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Sixty foot lime pits and one bullet each, eh?


That'll show them fuzzy wuzzies we mean business, what!

don't think lime will work, maybe big boiling pots?
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