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Old 14.10.2014, 14:58
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

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Improper training and use of protective gear, something that is not entirely unexpected at the start of an outbreak, particularly considering they're in the most dangerous situation, dealing with a patient at his most infectious state.

The American patient's family in Dallas is apparently still without symptoms, despite living in an apartment with him for days while he was symptomatic.

Are you actively looking for reasons to panic?

lol panic, no, common sense, that's all

I can still get the internet while locked in the cellar so I'll be fine, as long as the beer doesn't run out, shit, must get more beer
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Old 14.10.2014, 15:10
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funny then how something sooooooo hard to catch has been caught by TRAINED MEDICAL STAFF in full protective clothing in 1st world hospitals.

Pah! What they need is a plague mask!


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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Did wonder where VC ended up.
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Old 14.10.2014, 15:28
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

WHO seems to think it's worth panicking over.

The World Health Organization says the outbreak is the "the most severe, acute health emergency in modern times".

UN Ebola mission leader Tony Banbury has called for massive support from governments worldwide, saying: "We need everything... we need it everywhere, and we need it superfast."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29611713

Pity they didn't realise that when it first appeared weeks ago.
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Old 14.10.2014, 15:31
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funny then how something sooooooo hard to catch has been caught by TRAINED MEDICAL STAFF in full protective clothing in 1st world hospitals.
You are probably overestimating the training at this point. I read an article yesterday that the vast majority of hospitals in 1st world countries are NOT properly prepared to handle Ebola on any scale. In the U.S., some hospitals simply post a notice on a board as to what the staff is supposed to do with respect to a certain illness...and just expect that the staff reads and follows the directive.

When you're treating someone in the final stages of Ebola, it's very hard to avoid every drop of fluid 100%. It seems in the final hours, the amount of fluids produced is pretty phenomenal.
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Old 14.10.2014, 15:35
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Pah! What they need is a plague mask!


got an ebay link? should be cheaper then shooting anyone who goes within 100m of my house
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Old 14.10.2014, 15:38
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You are probably overestimating the training at this point. I read an article yesterday that the vast majority of hospitals in 1st world countries are NOT properly prepared to handle Ebola on any scale. In the U.S., some hospitals simply post a notice on a board as to what the staff is supposed to do with respect to a certain illness...and just expect that the staff reads and follows the directive.

When you're treating someone in the final stages of Ebola, it's very hard to avoid every drop of fluid 100%. It seems in the final hours, the amount of fluids produced is pretty phenomenal.
they are probably not prepared for an outbreak, but the hospitals where these guys where treated where prepared, they had plenty of warning and knew what to expect, yet people still got infected, which is the whole point
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Old 14.10.2014, 16:15
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

The Spanish hospital was not prepared unfortunately. That has become obvious after the case of infection in Spain.

The aux. nurse was not properly trained and did not have adequate protective gears. The follow-up of staff having treated the patients that died was non-existing and there was zero readiness to deal with suspected cases once identified.

On top of that the local minister of heath decided to blame the aux. nurse for lying and as a final nice gesture bullied her publicly by saying that "you dont need a master to put on a protective suit".

I am absolutely disgusted by the behavior and reaction from the officials in Spain on this matter.

I am unfortunately not surprised at the hubris and arrogance with which they have approached the repatriation and treatment of Ebola patients.

Here is a good article describing the lack of readiness in Spain compared to the US?


http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/13/...87_506872.html

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they are probably not prepared for an outbreak, but the hospitals where these guys where treated where prepared, they had plenty of warning and knew what to expect, yet people still got infected, which is the whole point

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Old 14.10.2014, 16:17
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

and that's exactly why we should all be concerned, we all like to think we live in utopia and professionals know what they are doing and mistakes don't happen , the sad fact is we don't, and humans are stupid & lazy
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Old 14.10.2014, 16:57
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The Spanish hospital was not prepared unfortunately. That has become obvious after the case of infection in Spain.

The aux. nurse was not properly trained and did not have adequate protective gears. The follow-up of staff having treated the patients that died was non-existing and there was zero readiness to deal with suspected cases once identified.

On top of that the local minister of heath decided to blame the aux. nurse for lying and as a final nice gesture bullied her publicly by saying that "you dont need a master to put on a protective suit".

I am absolutely disgusted by the behavior and reaction from the officials in Spain on this matter.

I am unfortunately not surprised at the hubris and arrogance with which they have approached the repatriation and treatment of Ebola patients.

Here is a good article describing the lack of readiness in Spain compared to the US?


http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/13/...87_506872.html
I am disgusted too.
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Old 14.10.2014, 18:19
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

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Oh dear, this is a bad idea publishing this! lets say x2 persons were involved one carrier one helping to spread the disease, you could wait until the carrier is infectious/dying then the assistant plant/seed train stations with contaminated blood etc, at airports and areas of high people volume. Obviously Mr assistant is dead too, but he would become the 2nd seeding of the virus for a 3rd assistant and so on.Diabolical Scheme
It would be far easier than even that, I'm afraid. I'm not going to say a damn thing more than, yea, I think I am now glad to hear than US troops are heading to aid in clean up, containment, and support efforts.

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Can a mod merge a poll into an ongoing thread? If so, can they create the following poll, and squish it into this one?

It would be interesting to see how many EFers plan to travel home for the holidays, if by December 1st, would they cancel these plans if the outbreak has:
  1. not dramatically reversed
  2. plateaued
  3. slow steady increase
  4. increased per the more dire projections [1,000,000 by end of January 2015]
Personally, if Ebola starts to show up in other major cities in the US, myself, wife & newborn might be in for a Skype-Christmas. Even just #2 would not have me feeling all that bad about walking away from 2 grand in flight prices.

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Ebola is in the news rather a lot these days. I understand that Ebola can be transmitted by physical contact with an infected person. Can it also be transmitted by mosquitoes? If eg a mosquito bites infected person A and then bites person B, is person B then infected?
No, but it is also transmitted through direct contact with body fluids (so not only direct physical contact with another person).

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Old 14.10.2014, 22:34
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

I like to think of the spanish dog like with giant angel wings and reading EF.
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Old 14.10.2014, 22:48
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No, but it is also transmitted through direct contact with body fluids (so not only direct physical contact with another person).
Exactly. Infected person sweats then you shake hands/touch same door handle/they hand over a credit card to pay etc… they don't have to physically touch you to transfer it.
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Old 15.10.2014, 12:35
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

A second health care worker has tested positive in Texas...

https://www.dshs.state.tx.us/news/re.../20141015.aspx

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29628622
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Old 15.10.2014, 13:48
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Horror, the US health care model is not well aligned with the correct treatment of heighly infectious deadly diseases
I mean if you walk into a hospital and they check if you are insured before offering treatment.

According to today's papers the Ebola fever checking at Heathrow is voluntary

Some papers are also claiming an aircraft and passengers is quarantined in Boston after some symptoms found
Quarantine is the correct approach but how will it be physically handled? Do they have the suitable facilities with the necessary services to keep so many people correctly isolated for three weeks? I hope they are not planning to keep them in the plane
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Old 15.10.2014, 13:51
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Exactly. Infected person sweats then you shake hands/touch same door handle/they hand over a credit card to pay etc… they don't have to physically touch you to transfer it.
How robust is the virus? For example, do they need to specially treat waste water?
The positive side of AIDS was/is the virus is very weak and does not live long on door handles or toilet seats.

Just read that people who recover from the virus can remain infectious for up to 7 weeks afterwards; that adds to the difficulty of managing this!
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Recent Ebola outbreak

That's all ?!? Less than $1 billion contribution to fight Ebola ?!?
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Old 15.10.2014, 15:50
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Some tips on how to avoid getting Ebola.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...catching-ebola
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Quote " Officials say they are actively monitoring 76 hospital workers in Dallas who may have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan or his blood when he was being treated for Ebola."

76!! What sort of hospital is that? They must have been queuing up to be near him?

If they carry on like that they will run out of medical staff!

Link here.
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