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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

College in Texas refusing entry to students from countries with Ebola cases. They really haven't thought this through have they

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...er-ebola-fears
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Old 16.10.2014, 00:03
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It's fairly standard in U.S. hospitals for patients to come into contact with a lot of staff members. In my various stints in hospitals, it was not uncommon to encounter 4-5 staff plus 1-2 doctors per shift, and there are 4 shifts per day...but different people work different floors and divisions each day. So 76 sounds almost low to me given how long he was at the facility.

It probably sounds bad, but having lived in Texas this does not surprise me one bit. These folks did not conceive in their wildest nightmare that a guy from Liberia (which they would say is Libya and couldn't find either on a map) showed up with Ebola. Sadly, it just wasn't on the radar.
About "It's fairly standard in U.S. hospitals for patients to come into contact with a lot of staff members."

Of course, but they are supposed to adopt different standards/procedures for patients who have a highly contagious and dangerous infection and are in quarantine!

I do not suppose you were in such a class?
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Old 16.10.2014, 00:15
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About "It's fairly standard in U.S. hospitals for patients to come into contact with a lot of staff members."

Of course, but they are supposed to adopt different standards/procedures for patients who have a highly contagious and dangerous infection and are in quarantine!

I do not suppose you were in such a class?
Correct, but I have been on the same floor as patients in quarantine (I don't know what it was for, as patient info is confidential).

The nurses put on their masks, gowns, and gloves before treating the quarantined person, but came to my room after removing that gear and washing up. It's not realistic to expect a dedicated team of doctors and nurses to treat only one sick person for 3 weeks or more instead of serving many patients.

It is definitely a challenge to sort out the resources and procedures to ensure 100% containment. I don't envy my friends in the healthcare profession right now. It must be very scary, even with equipment and protocols.
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Old 16.10.2014, 00:25
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Correct, but I have been on the same floor as patients in quarantine (I don't know what it was for, as patient info is confidential).

The nurses put on their masks, gowns, and gloves before treating the quarantined person, but came to my room after removing that gear and washing up. It's not realistic to expect a dedicated team of doctors and nurses to treat only one sick person for 3 weeks or more instead of serving many patients.

It is definitely a challenge to sort out the resources and procedures to ensure 100% containment. I don't envy my friends in the healthcare profession right now. It must be very scary, even with equipment and protocols.
About "It's not realistic to expect a dedicated team of doctors and nurses to treat only one sick person for 3 weeks or more" True but if they open the doors and allow many health care people access then they have a much bigger problem when it goes wrong.

For example the Presbyterian hospital in Dallas claims to have 886 rooms and 1200 doctors so limiting access to the Ebola patient should be practical?

Anyway it is not 3 weeks; the poor guy in Dallas lasted only 10 days - so he was in contact with around 8 new/different people every day -I do not believe they took this seriously
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Old 16.10.2014, 01:24
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About "It's not realistic to expect a dedicated team of doctors and nurses to treat only one sick person for 3 weeks or more" True but if they open the doors and allow many health care people access then they have a much bigger problem when it goes wrong.

For example the Presbyterian hospital in Dallas claims to have 886 rooms and 1200 doctors so limiting access to the Ebola patient should be practical?

Anyway it is not 3 weeks; the poor guy in Dallas lasted only 10 days - so he was in contact with around 8 new/different people every day -I do not believe they took this seriously

Texas still has the dead penalty
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Old 16.10.2014, 05:46
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

On'th news tonite...... up to 650+ UK doctors and nurses mobilising to volunteer for service in ebola blighted countries.

A lot of useful and deeply motivated souls willing to put themselves at risk to help others in dire need.
A group whose remuneration is static or slipping.
These are folks who should be feted.
I hope they ALL return safely.

If it's not aggressively tackled at source it will continue to spread.

I could think of another group of 650 expendable, superannuated parasites that could also contribute and volunteer.
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Old 16.10.2014, 11:17
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

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Improper training and use of protective gear, something that is not entirely unexpected at the start of an outbreak, particularly considering they're in the most dangerous situation, dealing with a patient at his most infectious state.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/us...T.nav=top-news

"Many American hospitals have improperly trained their staffs to deal with Ebola patients because they were following federal guidelines that were too lax, infection control experts said on Wednesday."

Picture in the NYT article of old vs. new protective gear guidelines sums it up best, IMO.
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College in Texas refusing entry to students from countries with Ebola cases. They really haven't thought this through have they

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...er-ebola-fears
Boy, that escalated quickly...
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Old 16.10.2014, 11:48
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Boy, that escalated quickly...
Sometimes, it makes you wonder if some do not perceive the Ebola virus as a biological warfare or even invented this virus for belligerence. Conspiracy theories anyone
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Old 16.10.2014, 11:51
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

I find it hard to believe that hospitals train and prepare for contagions, but not for Ebola, which is much less contagious. I suspect the infected health care workers took risks and neglected precautions.

They say it is not likely to go airborne, but I am not satisfied houseflies and skin mites have been ruled out as vectors. I just have read any study of it.
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I suspect the infected health care workers took risks and neglected precautions.
Why? Who in their right minds would do such a thing.
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Old 16.10.2014, 11:56
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Sometimes, it makes you wonder if some do not perceive the Ebola virus as a biological warfare or even invented this virus for belligerence. Conspiracy theories anyone
Louis Farrakhan said Ebola is because he's black:

Farrakahn suggests Ebola is a ‘race-targeting bioweapon’

In any helpless situation; someone is bound to blame the CIA, the Jews or the Illuminati.
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Old 16.10.2014, 12:20
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Louis Farrakhan said Ebola is because he's black:

Farrakahn suggests Ebola is a ‘race-targeting bioweapon’

In any helpless situation; someone is bound to blame the CIA, the Jews or the Illuminati.
Why, because it only works on certain ethnic group ...

http://www.thenewsnerd.com/technolog...-white-people/
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Old 16.10.2014, 12:26
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Why? Who in their right minds would do such a thing.
Negligence and risk taking behaviors have little to do with being in one's right mind.

Rather though it seems the health care workers were under trained, and under equipped. Negligence and risk-taking come in when the nurse in question hopped a flight to go kill Cleveland...
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Rather though it seems the health care workers were under trained, and under equipped. Negligence and risk-taking come in when the nurse in question hopped a flight to go kill Cleveland...
Under-trained and under-equipped in 1st world hospitals. OK...
It is worse than I thought.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

This latest news just goes to prove how woefully unprepared the US and the CDC is to contain or prevent an outbreak.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I40UE20141016

Apparently the second nurse inflected took a domestic flight with symptoms...and the airplane continued on 5 more flights before it was taken out of service and decomtaminated. I think CDC officials are now scrambling to find passengers on her flight and the other flights. And now have to deal with a potential Cleveland outbreak in addition to Dallas.
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Old 16.10.2014, 13:28
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This latest news just goes to prove how woefully unprepared the US and the CDC is to contain or prevent an outbreak.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I40UE20141016

Apparently the second nurse inflected took a domestic flight with symptoms...and the airplane continued on 5 more flights before it was taken out of service and decomtaminated. I think CDC officials are now scrambling to find passengers on her flight and the other flights. And now have to deal with a potential Cleveland outbreak in addition to Dallas.
More to the point, she rang the CDC before she flew, told them she had a fever and was about to fly… but because her temperature was 0.9ºF below their threshold, they let her fly

…. and today some guy involved in her transfer to Atlanta, was not wearing a Hazmat suit!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ning-them.html
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Old 16.10.2014, 13:32
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

whats also shocking is she didn't have the common sense to work out that she maybe shouldn't fly and should probably get herself properly checked out.

ah ok ok, some random person at the end of a phone said its ok
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ah ok ok, some random person at the end of a phone said its ok
Forget about random person...more like...press 1 if you flew from Africa, press 2 if do not know where Africa is, otherwise press 3.... Press 1 for Liberia, press 2 for Sierra Leone, press 3 for Guinea, press 4 if you do not know what we are talking about....

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Old 16.10.2014, 14:36
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Clipboard man in the Daily Mail is quite amusing, if only for his stupidity:

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