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Old 24.10.2014, 15:31
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Nurses seem to be very busy people, and without a highly visible interest from management, such as an all-hands meeting per shift, they are going to take things in on the fly and keep moving. Such is my hunch anyhow.

From the moment Duncan's travel to Liberia failed to rise to the top ofthe hospital's intake data system with little flashing cursors all around it, this has been more of a management fubar.

Perhaps it's testament to how hard they tried that only one nurse contracted the disease, instead of each nurse, per each shift.

edit: Not sure if Vinson got it from Pham, or Duncan
About "only one nurse contracted the disease" surely two nurses?

The second one, Amber Vinson, was pronounced free of the disease today

The other nurse Nina Pham seems to be recovering but not yet free of the disease.
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Old 24.10.2014, 16:13
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Dr Craig Spencer, who recently returned home to Harlem NY from Guinea, has tested positive for the deadly disease

Hope that they handle it better than Texas!!
Saw a news report this morning that he had been out and about the town the night before he went in with high fever, including at a bowling alley. I know it is not practical to just stay home for 21 days, but surely if you're a doc and you just came from west Africa, you should be self-monitoring at least 3x a day and limiting non-essential contact until you're sure you're clear...no?
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Old 24.10.2014, 16:27
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Statement by RN’s at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital as provided to National Nurses United
National Nurses United, 10/15/14
Thank you. That is truly terrible, I hope all the hospital managements worldwide read this!
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Old 24.10.2014, 16:38
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Saw a news report this morning that he had been out and about the town the night before he went in with high fever, including at a bowling alley. I know it is not practical to just stay home for 21 days, but surely if you're a doc and you just came from west Africa, you should be self-monitoring at least 3x a day and limiting non-essential contact until you're sure you're clear...no?
This is just from memory but as I understood his story he was self-monitoring his temperature and 'handed himself in' when that started climbing.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Yes. Actually you're not contagious till your temperature rises or you have other symptoms. He followed protocol exactly.

But here's another thing to think about. In men who've recovered from Ebola, semen remains contagious about 3 months after recovery.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Nurse sues after being forced into quarantine as she returns from Sierra Leone

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rra-Leone.html

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A US nurse who says she was treated like a "criminal" after returning from caring for Ebola victims in West Africa has hired a top human rights lawyer to challenge her enforced quarantine.

Kaci Hickox, the first person to be placed under a new mandatory quarantine for health workers who arrive back in the US via airports in New York, New Jersey and Chicago, was ordered into a 21 day period of isolation despite testing negative for the disease.

She has now hired Norman Siegel, a high profile civil rights attorney, to challenge the order.

In an open letter to a newspaper in Texas, where she studied nursing, she claimed her human rights were abused when she was sent to hospital in a Hamzat suit having falsely tested positive for a fever at New Jersey’s Newark Airport.

She added that she was “scared” for other health workers who risked their lives to volunteer in the Ebola-stricken nations at the heart of the current outbreak, and feared that doctors and nurses would be put off for fear of being treated as an outcast when they returned.
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Old 27.10.2014, 12:39
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

because US health workers are so good at self regulating
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Old 27.10.2014, 22:20
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Nurse sues after being forced into quarantine as she returns from Sierra Leone

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...rra-Leone.html
I am not a lawyer but I cannot believe she has much of a case; there is a strong argument called "for the greater good" and according to the newspapers she did have a fever?
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Old 27.10.2014, 22:33
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Given that she's just returned from a disaster zone I would have thought as a nurse she'd realise the necessity of taking precautions just in case. It's a bit of a hardship, but really - sueing over it? Typical American reaction - I don't like it so I'm going to sue.
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Old 27.10.2014, 23:07
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I am not a lawyer but I cannot believe she has much of a case; there is a strong argument called "for the greater good" and according to the newspapers she did have a fever?

"Trust me, I'm a nurse"

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Old 28.10.2014, 10:16
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Given that she's just returned from a disaster zone I would have thought as a nurse she'd realise the necessity of taking precautions just in case. It's a bit of a hardship, but really - sueing over it? Typical American reaction - I don't like it so I'm going to sue.
As an atypical American, I can only hope she was talked into it by the lawyer, who is purported to be known for this sort of ass-hattery. I don't see how any suit could hope to win him the wages for the time spent.

In the meantime she earns a reputation for impatience, and casual disregard for the public, neither of which bode well for a career in nursing.
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Old 28.10.2014, 10:27
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

they should both be struck off, the nurse and the lawyer
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Old 28.10.2014, 10:56
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As an atypical American, I can only hope she was talked into it by the lawyer, who is purported to be known for this sort of ass-hattery. I don't see how any suit could hope to win him the wages for the time spent.

In the meantime she earns a reputation for impatience, and casual disregard for the public, neither of which bode well for a career in nursing.
I don't know, my understanding is she was mostly upset because of the Militia style in which she was treated. I don't think she has any chance to win this lawsuit but she probably was really hurt to agree to sue them. Cut the woman some slack, she came back home from "hell" and hoped to have a normal life as soon as possible. 21 days of quarantine is not easy.
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“One after another, people asked me questions. Some introduced themselves, some didn’t. One man who must have been an immigration officer because he was wearing a weapon belt that I could see protruding from his white coveralls barked questions at me as if I was a criminal.
“I was tired, hungry and confused, but I tried to remain calm. My temperature was taken using a forehead scanner and it read a temperature of 98. I was feeling physically healthy but emotionally exhausted.
“Four hours after I landed at the airport, an official approached me with a forehead scanner. My cheeks were flushed, I was upset at being held with no explanation. The scanner recorded my temperature as 101. The female officer looked smug. 'You have a fever now,' she said.
“Eight police cars escorted me to the University Hospital in Newark. Sirens blared, lights flashed. Again, I wondered what I had done wrong.
“My blood was taken and tested for Ebola. It came back negative. I sat alone in the isolation tent and thought of many colleagues who will return home to America and face the same ordeal. Will they be made to feel like criminals and prisoners?
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Old 28.10.2014, 11:35
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Sounds like normal immigration controls at U.S. airports for all visitors from abroad.
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Sounds like normal immigration controls at U.S. airports for all visitors from abroad.
Ha, that's true. But she probably never experienced it (or at least it wasn't that bad) before.
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Old 28.10.2014, 15:02
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Okay, I am now certainly going to take some ibuprofen about 30 minutes before landing in a few weeks. I am always insanely hot and have flushed cheeks about 99% of the time. The last thing I need is for some overzealous, underpaid lackey to decide I need to be quarantined based on a fever (even though I haven't been in Africa this year).

I think the lawsuit is unnecessary, but I also feel this nurse was not treated appropriately. Unfortunately there are too many recent cases of healthcare professionals that should have been or were under quarantine that then went out among the public and risked exposure to a lot of people. Thus the overreaction by government officials.

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Okay, I am now certainly going to take some ibuprofen about 30 minutes before landing in a few weeks. I am always insanely hot and have flushed cheeks about 99% of the time. The last thing I need is for some overzealous, underpaid lackey to decide I need to be quarantined based on a fever (even though I haven't been in Africa this year).

I think the lawsuit is unnecessary, but I also feel this nurse was not treated appropriately. Unfortunately there are too many recent cases of healthcare professionals that should have been or were under quarantine that then went out among the public and risked exposure to a lot of people. Thus the overreaction by government officials.
Totally agree with you. In a way it is understandable, but c'mon, this lady should have been treated more kindly. I can really understand her frustration, after taking care of people affected by this disease in one of the most dangerous area she comes home to be treated without any empathy...she did say somewhere she wasn't even given a glass of water or something to eat. Suddenly she was only a potential virus carrier...tough.
Everyone in this situation would have at least questioned the methods used by the officials, maybe not sue them because technically they didn't do anything wrong, but...a bitter taste for sure.
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Old 30.10.2014, 16:56
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They will make a sexy 'anything' outfit.... gotta love Capitalism

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Old 30.10.2014, 16:59
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

I see in the news the nurse who's supposed to be in quarantine has decided "screw that" and gone out for a bike ride. You couldn't make this shit up, with people like that in the world then maybe we deserve an outbreak in the 1st world
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Old 30.10.2014, 17:52
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CDC finally concedes a patient can sneeze, the droplets can momentarily float in air, land on a surface, and the virus can stay active on the surface for up to a day. But why did that piece of logic take them so long to admit?

http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-adm...-spread-ebola/
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