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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Prosecuting an Ebola patient because he lied .......a fat lot of good that will do!

"Liberian officials say they will prosecute Thomas Eric Duncan, the man who was diagnosed in Dallas with Ebola, for allegedly lying on a health questionnaire before boarding a flight out of the country, The Associated Press reports".

Maybe finding and prosecuting those who killed the Health Workers trying to help would be more productive to the situation there? Carrying on like a bunch of lunatics when everyone is doing their best to help the poor and suffering citizens.

No State visitors to commiserate? ... or give speeches of encouragement...?
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Old 03.10.2014, 12:01
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Trying to imagine what US soldiers would be doing there. Quickly building makeshift hospitals is great. But I suppose it would also be for quarantine control.
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Old 03.10.2014, 12:50
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From what I've read, I think he hoped for the best that he was not sick. Passengers were at least screened for elevated temperatures, and questioned.

He landed Sept 20th, developed symptoms Wed Sept 24th, went to the Emergency room Friday 26th, was sent home with anti-biotics, and then apparently went back Sunday even worse, was then admitted.

If it's true that the contagious period only starts concurrent with symptoms, then the rest of the passengers are likely fine. I would like to know that the whereabouts of the rest of the passengers are at least known.


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...-questionnaire

yep, lied. So, Greenmount probably has the right of it.
Just think of those "spectacular" rescues - of the Spanish priest, when the Spaniards spent millions to bring him home (in order to die but that's another matter), and then that of the American citizen who were brought home under the safest conditions and it was all over in the press they will be given some experimental drugs. "It's in America/the West, so it's possible..they have something they keep away from us..." And then you are a "poor" African whose life is a non-issue for your government (as in they don't give a rat's ass whether you live or not) etc. and have the chance to leave that hell, and maybe even save yourself in case you develop that illness. It's a no brainer, really.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

It's ok! The Texans have everything under control! No need to worry any more...

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The outbreak is very serious! The numbers are doubling every 20 days and I don't think Africans have the motivation to bury their nearest and dearest. They are in extreme shock, and are probably themselves feeling very ill too. Incubation is from 2 to 23 days before symptoms appear.

A group of medical orderlies were murdered in one village, they arrived to see if they could help, and they were all murdered, I think there were 8 people. It really is a terrible situation there, the remote villagers trust nobody. 765 new cases last week in Sierre Leone, and only 375 hospital beds in the whole country.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29453755
if it is so serious why don't they close down all traffic to and from these countries only allowing medical care?

Doesn't fit somehow…if it is really really serious they would try to contain it and not running around measuring peoples temperature...
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Old 03.10.2014, 22:46
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if it is so serious why don't they close down all traffic to and from these countries only allowing medical care?

Doesn't fit somehow…if it is really really serious they would try to contain it and not running around measuring peoples temperature...

As if the world really has it all together. I think the whole world is in a state of mass stupor caused by too much information and nobody is really in control of anything anymore.
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if it is so serious why don't they close down all traffic to and from these countries only allowing medical care?

Doesn't fit somehow…if it is really really serious they would try to contain it and not running around measuring peoples temperature...
Because it's easier to control the flow of people (and track back possible contact-persons) when traffic goes through legal channels.
Same argument as for legalizing alcohol/drugs.

Once the official airports close, "unofficial" ones are going to surface and then all hell might break lose.

It's bad enough with all those refugees entering Europe on rustbuckets.


That doesn't mean it's not going to happen at some point.
If it does happen, you can expect people wearing masks and gloves on their daily commutes here pretty soon after....
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Old 06.10.2014, 23:48
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Just think of those "spectacular" rescues - of the Spanish priest, when the Spaniards spent millions to bring him home (in order to die but that's another matter), and then that of the American citizen who were brought home under the safest conditions and it was all over in the press they will be given some experimental drugs. "It's in America/the West, so it's possible..they have something they keep away from us..." And then you are a "poor" African whose life is a non-issue for your government (as in they don't give a rat's ass whether you live or not) etc. and have the chance to leave that hell, and maybe even save yourself in case you develop that illness. It's a no brainer, really.
Thanks to that rescue, Spain now has it's first ebola victim. A nurse became infected in the hospital where the priest was brought.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9778519.html
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Thanks to that rescue, Spain now has it's first ebola victim. A nurse became infected in the hospital where the priest was brought.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...e-9778519.html
I guess, most hospitals and the staff aren't prepared at all for super-infectious diseases.
They will have to learn rather quickly.
Well, we might all have to...


Interestingly, I just read here:
http://www.bnitm.de/aktuelles/aktuel...onen-zu-ebola/

Question: "How is it possible that medical staff gets infected relatively often"?
Answer: "We don't really know. Maybe some security-procedures weren't followed."

I have a feeling that isolated mountain huts might be in high demand, shortly ;-)
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Old 07.10.2014, 09:36
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Trying to imagine what US soldiers would be doing there. .
They could shoot the ebola victims? The most effective way (medically speaking) of preventing the disease from spreading would be to kill all those infected.

The UK did precisely this to bring Mad Cow disease under control.

US neocons are now working on a PR strategy (collateral damage, friendly fire) should this be the option chosen.

Seriously, if military are being sent to Africa, it's definitely to keep the patients under control rather than help cure them.
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Old 07.10.2014, 10:28
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/1...0HU0CH20141005

Good news the populations of France/UK should be reduced first
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Old 07.10.2014, 10:33
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I guess, most hospitals and the staff aren't prepared at all for super-infectious diseases.
Ebola is NOT "super-infectious". It's nasty, has a high mortality rate, no effective treatment, and no current vaccine, but it certainly isn't super-infectious.
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Ebola is NOT "super-infectious". It's nasty, has a high mortality rate, no effective treatment, and no current vaccine, but it certainly isn't super-infectious.
Actually it is. Highly infectious means it only takes a few copies of the virus to make you ill, i.e. if you are exposed you're very likely to contract it.

What Ebola isn't, is highly contagious. This is because it's relatively easy to avoid exposure (unlike colds and flu, no airborne transmission route.)
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Old 07.10.2014, 10:46
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Actually it is. Highly infectious means it only takes a few copies of the virus to make you ill, i.e. if you are exposed you're very likely to contract it.

What Ebola isn't, is highly contagious. This is because it's relatively easy to avoid exposure (unlike colds and flu, no airborne transmission route.)
Yes, I stand corrected. Thank you. However, most people confuse infectious with contagious (like I just did, and I should know better ) and I believe rainer_d meant the latter in his post. If not, I stand down, m'lud.

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Ebola in Switzerland

Now that Ebola has been seen in the wild in the US and the EU (Spain), it is a bigger (although still not certain) possibility that it will arrive in Switzerland.

The health worker infected in Spain had symptoms on 30 September but didn't tell anybody until 6 October.

One can only wonder what would happen in Switzerland. There seems to be an attitude here that people should be deterred from going to the doctor, hence the elaborate system of co-payments and deductibles. Ask for help at the pharmacy for just about any issue and they often tell people wait two days before seeing a doctor. I've heard several very experienced doctors say that this is not the right way to handle infectious diseases though. Those countries with free health care (UK, Australia) may actually handle any Ebola outbreak a lot better than the Swiss because people there are not made to feel guilty or irresponsible about visiting the doctor.

Some may even feel there is a certain arrogance, that no Swiss person would believe they have contracted a disease from Africa and they may inadvertently spread it further by not isolating themselves or seeing a doctor immediately.

What do people think? Now Ebola is in the wild in Europe, will the Swiss change the health insurance rules to guarantee everybody free and immediate screening of Ebola symptoms?
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Old 07.10.2014, 12:20
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You're not American then, I take it.
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Now that Ebola has been seen in the wild in the US and the EU (Spain), it is a bigger (although still not certain) possibility that it will arrive in Switzerland.

The health worker infected in Spain had symptoms on 30 September but didn't tell anybody until 6 October.

One can only wonder what would happen in Switzerland. There seems to be an attitude here that people should be deterred from going to the doctor, hence the elaborate system of co-payments and deductibles. Ask for help at the pharmacy for just about any issue and they often tell people wait two days before seeing a doctor. I've heard several very experienced doctors say that this is not the right way to handle infectious diseases though. Those countries with free health care (UK, Australia) may actually handle any Ebola outbreak a lot better than the Swiss because people there are not made to feel guilty or irresponsible about visiting the doctor.

Some may even feel there is a certain arrogance, that no Swiss person would believe they have contracted a disease from Africa and they may inadvertently spread it further by not isolating themselves or seeing a doctor immediately.

What do people think? Now Ebola is in the wild in Europe, will the Swiss change the health insurance rules to guarantee everybody free and immediate screening of Ebola symptoms?
Really? I've never come across this attitude in the last 19 or so years.
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Really? I've never come across this attitude in the last 19 or so years.
Why else do they have such an elaborate system of charges to be "shared" by the patient then?

They are talking about bringing in co-payments in Australia at present, a whopping $7 (or 5 CHF) to see a doctor. They are saying it is necessary to "give people a price signal", in other words, to tell people think twice, maybe you can wait another day without bothering the doctor.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-1...ayment/5661968
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Well at least we have the assurances of an hospital in Geneva all ready and waiting to treat infected patients.
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Re: Ebola in Switzerland

For a better visibility I think this thread should be merged with the following:

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