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Old 03.07.2014, 19:36
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Recent Ebola outbreak

http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/0...12pvodtopphoto

I am well-read on the subject of hemmoragic fevers because they fascinated me as a student. This is alarming news, we could be on the brink of a global disaster. I would go as far as to advice to people to not travel to the African continent.
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Old 03.07.2014, 22:58
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

At the moment, I respectfully disagree. While the outbreak is unprecedented and somewhat uncontained, I think it's a bit alarmist for officials to start proclaiming a global disaster or suggest avoiding an entire continent. Remember the bird flu that was going to end the world?

There are more than 50 countries/territories in Africa, and at present this outbreak is confirmed in 3. It's estimated there are more than a billion people on the African continent/territories and at present only a few to several thousand are impacted. Serious? Absolutely. Potentially disastrous? Yep. But a global catastrophe? Not yet.

This is not to minimize the impact on people and the healthcare system. It's an awful and scary virus and I would prefer to be nowhere near it. I admire the professionals and volunteers with Doctors Without Borders that are on the ground trying to help sick people and prevent the spread of the virus. These folks are selfless and amazing. But spreading panic is not going to help anyone.

I'd probably avoid the impacted countries and their neighbors for a bit, but otherwise have no intention of cancelling our annual holiday in South Africa just yet.
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Old 03.07.2014, 23:12
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Maybe you could advise people to just avoid west Africa? The disease is usually caught by eating infected fruit bats or monkeys: so you could also advise travelers to avoid eating bush meat.
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Old 04.07.2014, 11:03
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I think it's a bit alarmist for officials to start proclaiming a global disaster or suggest avoiding an entire continent. Remember the bird flu that was going to end the world?
No official has proclaimed that so far. That's what's worrying me. The Bird flu was a mountain made out of a molehill, while the exact opposite may be true for the current Ebola outbreak.
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No official has proclaimed that so far. That's what's worrying me. The Bird flu was a mountain made out of a molehill, while the exact opposite may be true for the current Ebola outbreak.
The bird flue was also a good reason to eliminate some meat producers from the market.
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Old 04.07.2014, 11:59
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No official has proclaimed that so far. That's what's worrying me. The Bird flu was a mountain made out of a molehill, while the exact opposite may be true for the current Ebola outbreak.
The bird flu virus had the potential to mutate, with possible devastating results.

Containment was important as, obviously, the more cases there were, the more chance there was of a mutation taking place.

What would you rather do: Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted or take measures before this happens?
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The bird flu virus had the potential to mutate, with possible devastating results.

Containment was important as, obviously, the more cases there were, the more chance there was of a mutation taking place.

What would you rather do: Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted or take measures before this happens?
I was not commenting on the bird flu or the measures taken against it. I was trying to point out that Ebola and Marburg viruses are ten times as bad. They are the most dreadful diseases known to mankind.
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Old 04.07.2014, 12:24
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I was not commenting on the bird flu or the measures taken against it. I was trying to point out that Ebola and Marburg viruses are ten times as bad. They are the most dreadful diseases known to mankind.
But, as horrific as they are, they are contained in an area without extensive international passenger traffic so they'll more than likely stay contained.

Additionally, the flu is much easier to pass on compared with the ebola virus.
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I was not commenting on the bird flu or the measures taken against it. I was trying to point out that Ebola and Marburg viruses are ten times as bad. They are the most dreadful diseases known to mankind.
they burn themselves out because they kill so fast though, and don't transmit as easily as influenza.

Let's just hope that once this ends they don't resume eating bats and monkeys or it will be back.
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http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/0...12pvodtopphoto

I am well-read on the subject of hemmoragic fevers because they fascinated me as a student. This is alarming news, we could be on the brink of a global disaster. I would go as far as to advice to people to not travel to the African continent.
They also fascinated me. A person who died, autopsied the same day, had organs that had the appearance of having been dead for many days.

I read an interview with a village chief from the Congo, who said this disease had always been around. When anyone died from it, they would burn the body and everything in the village, and move to a new piece of land far away. Thus it used to be contained.

(An interesting aside this old chief mentioned when asked if he knew where it came from - he said he believed it was a virus that lived in very old ancient trees, and when these trees were cut down the virus escaped. The ancient trees only began to be cut down when white man and his forestry logging began - before this advent the old trees were "respected")

But now, sadly, the old ways have been abandoned, too many people, settled areas, commuters to cities, etc. And hygiene standards have not been improved. Raging civil wars.

Nature taking her revenge?
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

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Additionally, the flu is much easier to pass on compared with the ebola virus.
I thought I'd heard that just touching someone with Ebola or something they had touched could result in transmission. The medical staff are shown in head-to-toe plastic. Wasn't there some theory that the Black Death involved something like this? They always speak about rat fleas with that, but it's hard to understand how rat fleas could have travelled around and come into contact with humans that fast.

If it's currently seen as just another African problem perhaps there's a risk of it being downplayed. Presumably people from West Africa can travel too.
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Old 04.07.2014, 17:02
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I thought I'd heard that just touching someone with Ebola or something they had touched could result in transmission.
I never know that viruses could be absorbed through the skin. I thought skin was waterproof otherwise we'd all leak?

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If it's currently seen as just another African problem perhaps there's a risk of it being downplayed. Presumably people from West Africa can travel too.
Yes, but probably not as much.
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I thought I'd heard that just touching someone with Ebola or something they had touched could result in transmission. The medical staff are shown in head-to-toe plastic.
I understand it requires solid contact with bodily fluids. I am not sure about sweat, but mucus, saliva, tears. Even then, I think this vector is most effective when it reaches another person's fluids, [eyes, nose, mouth, sexy bits]

People suffering from Ebola, I could imagine, have a reason to sweat, cry, and speak over enthusiasticly [yay spit in the face]

The full coverage of plastic may make decontamination more easy/effective after interacting directly with patients.
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The full coverage of plastic may make decontamination more easy/effective after interacting directly with patients.
That's exactly it - in places where sterilisation is difficult and expensive, washing the plastic coveralls and wellies in a bucket of bleach solution is going to be the most effective method.
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I imagine those places who regularly get boatfulls of escapees from Africa will be panicking about possible arrival of virus via same.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

With the bird-flu, there was serious money to be made.
With ebola, people die too quickly to even make good use of normal medication.

If ebola would hit a large city in Western Europe, the civil riots and chaos that surrounded the Katrina hurricane would quickly look like a tame childrens' birthday party in comparison.
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I never know that viruses could be absorbed through the skin. I thought skin was waterproof otherwise we'd all leak?



Yes, but probably not as much.
Waterproof skin?

Your skin is a living breath organ.
Stuff can pass through it, water in and out, etc.
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I understand it requires solid contact with bodily fluids. I am not sure about sweat, but mucus, saliva, tears. Even then, I think this vector is most effective when it reaches another person's fluids, [eyes, nose, mouth, sexy bits]
"sweat, but mucus, saliva, tears"
All of the above transmits Ebola
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"sweat, but mucus, saliva, tears"
All of the above transmits Ebola
That doctor said that after 4 days the patient begins to haemorage. Internally, and from all orifices,( is what I`ve read about it).

Imagine how blood spreads. Its more visible than sweat/tears/saliva/mucus. If they havent yet begun to haemorage, their body is still a "red hot" contamination zone.

Yes, because the people are too poor to buy medicines, and their governments in such financial messes to be able to bulk purchase any new "inventions" there obviously is no financial gain to be made? And they die too quickly for prolonged treatments to take place.

It`s a sad scenario, but overbreeding always results in disease to "cleanse" a situation.
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