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Old 03.07.2014, 19:36
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Recent Ebola outbreak

http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/0...12pvodtopphoto

I am well-read on the subject of hemmoragic fevers because they fascinated me as a student. This is alarming news, we could be on the brink of a global disaster. I would go as far as to advice to people to not travel to the African continent.
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Old 03.07.2014, 22:58
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

At the moment, I respectfully disagree. While the outbreak is unprecedented and somewhat uncontained, I think it's a bit alarmist for officials to start proclaiming a global disaster or suggest avoiding an entire continent. Remember the bird flu that was going to end the world?

There are more than 50 countries/territories in Africa, and at present this outbreak is confirmed in 3. It's estimated there are more than a billion people on the African continent/territories and at present only a few to several thousand are impacted. Serious? Absolutely. Potentially disastrous? Yep. But a global catastrophe? Not yet.

This is not to minimize the impact on people and the healthcare system. It's an awful and scary virus and I would prefer to be nowhere near it. I admire the professionals and volunteers with Doctors Without Borders that are on the ground trying to help sick people and prevent the spread of the virus. These folks are selfless and amazing. But spreading panic is not going to help anyone.

I'd probably avoid the impacted countries and their neighbors for a bit, but otherwise have no intention of cancelling our annual holiday in South Africa just yet.
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Old 03.07.2014, 23:12
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Maybe you could advise people to just avoid west Africa? The disease is usually caught by eating infected fruit bats or monkeys: so you could also advise travelers to avoid eating bush meat.
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

A Scottish nurse that went to Sierra Leone to help the sick and dying there, was about to lose her job and future livelihood, because she failed to state her correct body temperature upon arrival at Heathrow airport. 3 times she was put into isolation in the UK while doctors saved her life.

Happily she has been found not guilty, as the board decided she did not intend to mislead the authorities.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...-west-37364497
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I think it's a bit alarmist for officials to start proclaiming a global disaster or suggest avoiding an entire continent. Remember the bird flu that was going to end the world?
No official has proclaimed that so far. That's what's worrying me. The Bird flu was a mountain made out of a molehill, while the exact opposite may be true for the current Ebola outbreak.
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No official has proclaimed that so far. That's what's worrying me. The Bird flu was a mountain made out of a molehill, while the exact opposite may be true for the current Ebola outbreak.
The bird flue was also a good reason to eliminate some meat producers from the market.
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No official has proclaimed that so far. That's what's worrying me. The Bird flu was a mountain made out of a molehill, while the exact opposite may be true for the current Ebola outbreak.
The bird flu virus had the potential to mutate, with possible devastating results.

Containment was important as, obviously, the more cases there were, the more chance there was of a mutation taking place.

What would you rather do: Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted or take measures before this happens?
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Old 04.07.2014, 12:15
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The bird flu virus had the potential to mutate, with possible devastating results.

Containment was important as, obviously, the more cases there were, the more chance there was of a mutation taking place.

What would you rather do: Shut the stable door after the horse has bolted or take measures before this happens?
I was not commenting on the bird flu or the measures taken against it. I was trying to point out that Ebola and Marburg viruses are ten times as bad. They are the most dreadful diseases known to mankind.
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I was not commenting on the bird flu or the measures taken against it. I was trying to point out that Ebola and Marburg viruses are ten times as bad. They are the most dreadful diseases known to mankind.
But, as horrific as they are, they are contained in an area without extensive international passenger traffic so they'll more than likely stay contained.

Additionally, the flu is much easier to pass on compared with the ebola virus.
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I was not commenting on the bird flu or the measures taken against it. I was trying to point out that Ebola and Marburg viruses are ten times as bad. They are the most dreadful diseases known to mankind.
they burn themselves out because they kill so fast though, and don't transmit as easily as influenza.

Let's just hope that once this ends they don't resume eating bats and monkeys or it will be back.
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http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2014/0...12pvodtopphoto

I am well-read on the subject of hemmoragic fevers because they fascinated me as a student. This is alarming news, we could be on the brink of a global disaster. I would go as far as to advice to people to not travel to the African continent.
They also fascinated me. A person who died, autopsied the same day, had organs that had the appearance of having been dead for many days.

I read an interview with a village chief from the Congo, who said this disease had always been around. When anyone died from it, they would burn the body and everything in the village, and move to a new piece of land far away. Thus it used to be contained.

(An interesting aside this old chief mentioned when asked if he knew where it came from - he said he believed it was a virus that lived in very old ancient trees, and when these trees were cut down the virus escaped. The ancient trees only began to be cut down when white man and his forestry logging began - before this advent the old trees were "respected")

But now, sadly, the old ways have been abandoned, too many people, settled areas, commuters to cities, etc. And hygiene standards have not been improved. Raging civil wars.

Nature taking her revenge?
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Re: Recent Ebola outbreak

Smoky, I'm thanking you for everything but your last sentence ...
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Nature taking her revenge?
wrong continent...
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Peter Piot deserves international awards,

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28262541
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Ebola

What will happen if (when) Ebola reaches Europe?

Reminiscent of circumstances that existed during times of the Black Death?
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Reminiscent of circumstances that existed during times of the Black Death?
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We all leave.
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Australia?
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Re: Ebola

In case you missed it, there's already a recent and altogether more serious thread on this subject - http://www.englishforum.ch/internati...-outbreak.html.
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Ebola in Switzerland

Now that Ebola has been seen in the wild in the US and the EU (Spain), it is a bigger (although still not certain) possibility that it will arrive in Switzerland.

The health worker infected in Spain had symptoms on 30 September but didn't tell anybody until 6 October.

One can only wonder what would happen in Switzerland. There seems to be an attitude here that people should be deterred from going to the doctor, hence the elaborate system of co-payments and deductibles. Ask for help at the pharmacy for just about any issue and they often tell people wait two days before seeing a doctor. I've heard several very experienced doctors say that this is not the right way to handle infectious diseases though. Those countries with free health care (UK, Australia) may actually handle any Ebola outbreak a lot better than the Swiss because people there are not made to feel guilty or irresponsible about visiting the doctor.

Some may even feel there is a certain arrogance, that no Swiss person would believe they have contracted a disease from Africa and they may inadvertently spread it further by not isolating themselves or seeing a doctor immediately.

What do people think? Now Ebola is in the wild in Europe, will the Swiss change the health insurance rules to guarantee everybody free and immediate screening of Ebola symptoms?
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