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Old 03.08.2014, 22:16
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So just out of interest, what negative effects do you think it will have by reducing hot water to 49c? What do you have against the idea?
Legionnaire's disease, as someone mentioned earlier. Some newer system can have lower water temps and run at 60C every few days to prevent bacteria developing, but in older buildings that would be very difficult. And because a toddler in a bath should be supervised at all times. And because lots of other liquids in the home are much hotter- drinks, soups, etc. (my poor mum felt so dreadful about what happened- she left our toddler with the hot cup of coffee on the low table as she went to open the door- fortunately I knew what to do- ripped her top off and run up to the bathroom to put the cold shower on it for as long as poss- the skin did roll off like on a sausage, and 38 years later she still has a faded scar- but it could have been a lot worse). Never leave a toodler in the bath alone- and have eyes in the back of your head.
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Old 03.08.2014, 22:39
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Legionnaire's disease, as someone mentioned earlier. Some newer system can have lower water temps and run at 60C every few days to prevent bacteria developing, but in older buildings that would be very difficult. And because a toddler in a bath should be supervised at all times. And because lots of other liquids in the home are much hotter- drinks, soups, etc.
Ok, agreed on the potential risk of Legionnaires being higher... but what have other hot liquids in the home got to do with the issue in the OP? It's a separate risk with separate circumstances.

I guess the most feaslble solution to this then is to maybe then get an anti-scalding device (mixig valve etc) fitted by a plumber?
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Does anyone know if you can purchase these in Switzerland? I have a 16 month old who is very curious about the faucet when she is taking a bath.

We already asked our landlord about turning down our hot water temperature and he told us it's not possible.
At 16 months old, I am certain you can find toys for the bath which your toddler can play with which will be far more interesting than the tap. If you cannot find a way to keep your toddler amused in the bath, and distracted from the taps, then I would suggest you forget the bath and put him/her in the shower. Give him/her the shower head to hold and a bar of soap. The idea is to get clean, right?
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There have been calls for a long time to reduce tap water temperature to a maximum of 49c. Apparently, hot water scalding is a major cause of child injury and it only takes 5 seconds for a child to suffer severe burns when exposed to a water temperature of 60c, whereas it takes over two minutes at 49c.

My tap hot water in my apartment must be over 60c judging from the times I've come into contact with it and the amount of steam it gives off and personally I think it's way too hot... it's simply not necessary to run water at those temperatures.
Every country is different, but the UK guidelines specify hot water tank storage at 60°C and distribution to the taps at 50°C (both minimums)

I would suggest to get a thermometer and measure the temperature of the hot water (after it has run for a while and the temperature has stabilised). I guess if it's more than 60°C you can argue the case with the landlord. It is a bit daft if the tank temperature is set so high that the user farthest from taps is presented with water at 60°C, but that the closest user is presented with supercritical steam.

Or, use the little screwdriver-valve underneath the tap to turn the hot tap off completely and wash your kid in a cold bath :-)
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Re: Anti-scald devices to control hot water

Old thread but I googled and it came up. Is there a min temp from the tap under Swiss law?
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Old thread but I googled and it came up. Is there a min temp from the tap under Swiss law?
Is there any country that has a law regulating the temperature of the water that comes out of the taps? Don`t let it out someone might think that it is a good idea What will they think of next? Can`t imagine that it would become a Federal law either way.
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Is there any country that has a law regulating the temperature of the water that comes out of the taps? Don`t let it out someone might think that it is a good idea What will they think of next? Can`t imagine that it would become a Federal law either way.
And what would happen if a couple of your kids used up all the hot water having showers and causing the water out of the tap to be tepid rather than hot - would your landlord then be breaking the law?
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Is there any country that has a law regulating the temperature of the water that comes out of the taps? Don`t let it out someone might think that it is a good idea What will they think of next? Can`t imagine that it would become a Federal law either way.
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And what would happen if a couple of your kids used up all the hot water having showers and causing the water out of the tap to be tepid rather than hot - would your landlord then be breaking the law?
well if there is a rule then I can complain about it being too cold, otherwise I guess I should just learn to enjoy lukewarm and cold baths?
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Re: Anti-scald devices to control hot water

We used to use an inflatable tap cover.

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(This was just the first one google threw up)

It's not going to prevent a child turning on a tap given some time, but it adds a few seconds to react to an accompanied child. And flipping the tap to cold before putting the cover on gives even more time.

I've not noticed one for sale in Switzerland (but I've not been looking), but they're cheap enough on Amazon.
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We used to use an inflatable tap cover.

Something a little bit like this




(This was just the first one google threw up)

It's not going to prevent a child turning on a tap given some time, but it adds a few seconds to react to an accompanied child. And flipping the tap to cold before putting the cover on gives even more time.

I've not noticed one for sale in Switzerland (but I've not been looking), but they're cheap enough on Amazon.
Ermm did you read the whole thread or just the first post.

The thread was resurrected by somebody asking about a different problem ( and anyway I'd already posted a link to those right at the start if the thread when the question was first asked way back in 2014 )
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Ermm did you read the whole thread or just the first post.

The thread was resurrected by somebody asking about a different problem ( and anyway I'd already posted a link to those right at the start if the thread when the question was first asked way back in 2014 )
sorry the one post was the UK law so I thought maybe someone knew the swiss law
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well if there is a rule then I can complain about it being too cold, otherwise I guess I should just learn to enjoy lukewarm and cold baths?
I guess if you can show that the boiler output is less than 60 ° C then there is a
danger of Legionnaires' disease. You could complain then and get the temperature increased.

Most boilers show output temperature.

Here's the bit to show your landlord:

http://www.bag.admin.ch/themen/mediz...2/00684/01084/


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People who smoke or have a weakened immune system, are particularly vulnerable to a Legionell A infection. The best preventive measure to at sanitary installations a Legionella to prevent proliferation, is to ensure a hot water temperature of 60 ° C at the boiler output and 55 ° C in the pipe system. Further, the cold water temperature should stay below 20 ° C. For all other equipment (air conditioning, whirlpool baths, humidifiers, etc.) the recommendations of the professional associations or the manufacturer apply.
There's another document in the link which states that the rules are good practice and not mandatory.
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Ermm did you read the whole thread or just the first post.
You think I read this ****?!

Yeah, I unfortunately read all of it rather than just the new stuff. I'm a doofus...




Even worse, I made a trip to Obi to see if they had one there. It's a good job they didn't.
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You think I read this ****?!

Yeah, I unfortunately read all of it rather than just the new stuff. I'm a doofus...
I did the same earlier today but deleted my post in embarrassment before too many people saw it.
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Re: Anti-scald devices to control hot water

Tom 1 pipe says 60, 1 pipe says 39. To draw a bath you set it to the hottest possible and pray it's not cold. 50% of the time it's cold and 50% it's lukewarm. It's 1 system for the whole building. twice in a few months nothing worked at all.


I have asked about the water countless times and in writing. my one child has severe eczema and open wounds, so besides being cold I don't want her to get an infection.

Thanks for the links
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And what would happen if a couple of your kids used up all the hot water having showers and causing the water out of the tap to be tepid rather than hot - would your landlord then be breaking the law?
Couldn`t happen to my kids. I have capped all hot water taps so no scalding risk. Cold showers all round. Even make the tea with cold water.
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Tom 1 pipe says 60, 1 pipe says 39. To draw a bath you set it to the hottest possible and pray it's not cold. 50% of the time it's cold and 50% it's lukewarm. It's 1 system for the whole building. twice in a few months nothing worked at all.
It could be that one or more of your neighbours is using all the hot water - especially if the storage tank is on the small side.

Additionally, if the boiler is set not to heat at night, for example, the problem is compounded further.
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